[9fans] Re: interesting potential targets for plan 9 and/or inferno

2007-03-16 Thread ramkromberg
The docs are indeed well writen and were very useful, and I feel, suitable as classroom material, now to just find an academic mailing list :-) On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:01:25 -0400 Jon Snader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote >On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 08:01:58PM +0100, Uriel wrote: >> Already done, see the

[9fans] Re: Help a poor man out - poor man's installation.

2007-03-16 Thread ramkromberg
>you didn't do anything wrong. i don't think 9load recognizes your >[sp]ata chipset. you should see something like this if it recognises >the hd: > >Boot devices: fd0 ether0 sdC0!dos sdC0!9fat > >in your case you should see sdC1!dos in the list. one further bit, >plan 9 does not recognize fa

Re: [9fans] Summer of Code: Call for mentors and students

2007-03-16 Thread Kris Maglione
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 09:56:31PM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote: interesting. i hadn't thought of going that way. i was afraid of non-obvious breakage. I'd considered it, but things like __^(extension attribute)^__ shouldn't cause breakage. __alignment__ certainly could, and there are some u

Re: [9fans] Summer of Code: Call for mentors and students

2007-03-16 Thread erik quanstrom
interesting. i hadn't thought of going that way. i was afraid of non-obvious breakage. what do you do about inline? what do do you about asm? unfortunately a quick grep of even the first level of /usr/include on linux shows some asm goo. - erik

Re: [9fans] Summer of Code: Call for mentors and students

2007-03-16 Thread Kris Maglione
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 09:12:37PM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote: porting kenc to linux is doable, doesn't seem very useful, as kenc doesn't do many of the stupid c compile tricks found in linux heder files such as Actually, it's more doable than you'd imagine. I've managed to get kencc to compi

Re: [9fans] Summer of Code: Call for mentors and students

2007-03-16 Thread erik quanstrom
i believe there is. under a heading like "port missing kenc features to gcc". the major missing feature is anonymous structures. porting kenc to linux is doable, doesn't seem very useful, as kenc doesn't do many of the stupid c compile tricks found in linux heder files such as __extensi

Re: [9fans] Summer of Code: Call for mentors and students

2007-03-16 Thread Kris Maglione
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 05:50:13PM -0700, Fernan Bolando wrote: shoudn't there be a kencc for linux in there? It would make porting between linux and plan9 easier. In where? It's been on the project suggestions list from the beginning. -- Kris Maglione "Close" only counts in horseshoes, handg

Re: [9fans] Summer of Code: Call for mentors and students

2007-03-16 Thread Fernan Bolando
shoudn't there be a kencc for linux in there? It would make porting between linux and plan9 easier. On 3/15/07, andrey mirtchovski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: libssh2 documentation: "mk all". try 8.ssh2. see how bad it fails. fix. :) 8.sshd may not work at all. untested. -- Public PGP/GnuP

[9fans] marvell sata-ii 88sx[56]0xx

2007-03-16 Thread erik quanstrom
i've submitted a fileserver kernel driver for the marvell sata-ii 88sx[56]0xx set of cards. this revision adds hotplugging support and a workarounds for various drive firmware compatability issues. (thanks to sam hopkins.) we have two 88sx60xx cards in Coraid's new main file server. hotpluggin

Re: [9fans] Re: interesting potential targets for plan 9 and/or inferno

2007-03-16 Thread andrey mirtchovski
Unspeakable Horrors From Outer Space Paralyze The Living And Resurrect This Thread! Night of the living Plan 9 desktop: the thread that wouldn't die!

Re: [9fans] Re: interesting potential targets for plan 9 and/or inferno

2007-03-16 Thread Jon Snader
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 08:01:58PM +0100, Uriel wrote: > Already done, see the last item here: > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Papers/index.html#RECENT_PAPERS > and http://plan9.escet.urjc.es/who/nemo/9.intro.pdf > > Can we kill this thread now? Thanks > Night of the living Plan 9 deskto

Re: Re: [9fans] Re: interesting potential targets for plan 9 and/or inferno

2007-03-16 Thread Brian L . Stuart
> From: "Joel C. Salomon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > So all we need is a new Operating Systems textbook using Plan 9 for > example code? Can't help you soon with Plan 9, but I am working on one that includes a nice sampling of Inferno internals. Now, I did have to compromise a little and also inclu

Re: [9fans] Re: Help a poor man out - poor man's installation.

2007-03-16 Thread erik quanstrom
you didn't do anything wrong. i don't think 9load recognizes your [sp]ata chipset. you should see something like this if it recognises the hd: Boot devices: fd0 ether0 sdC0!dos sdC0!9fat in your case you should see sdC1!dos in the list. one further bit, plan 9 does not recognize fat32.

Re: [9fans] Re: interesting potential targets for plan 9 and/or inferno

2007-03-16 Thread Uriel
Already done, see the last item here: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Papers/index.html#RECENT_PAPERS and http://plan9.escet.urjc.es/who/nemo/9.intro.pdf Can we kill this thread now? Thanks uriel On 3/16/07, Joel C. Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 3/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAI

Re: [9fans] Re: interesting potential targets for plan 9 and/or inferno

2007-03-16 Thread Joel C. Salomon
On 3/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If plan9 can reach students as part of OS design course instead of linux their`s a good chance it will get more wide spread (PlanB?), this should be possible because linux is really badly conceptualized and programmed so a professor might

[9fans] Re: Help a poor man out - poor man's installation.

2007-03-16 Thread ramkromberg
>If you have anough disk to generate a FAT partition to temporarly hold >the unzip'ed ISO then put it there - or maybe put a spare hard disk in >box temporarly. > >You should then be able to use the boot/install floppy image which is on the >same page as the ISO at the bell-labs site to start the i

[9fans] Re: interesting potential targets for plan 9 and/or inferno

2007-03-16 Thread ramkromberg
Since I only used Plan 9 in a Virtual Machine I can only give a first impression, but I suppose those are what counts when encountering anything new, right ? I think Linux and Windows control the Desktop and Servers market so plan9 can't penetrate that market, instead a niche market might redeem i

Re: [9fans] faces and the plumb messages received by cpu connections

2007-03-16 Thread Gabriel Diaz
hello thanks all for the comments. i suppose an rc script is enough to add the cpu'ed mailbox to the local one without having a pre-configured script, to get faces and upasfs working with cpued hosts. gabi On 3/16/07, Russ Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Plumber is working fine. You simply a

Re: [9fans] faces and the plumb messages received by cpu connections

2007-03-16 Thread Russ Cox
Plumber is working fine. You simply asked it to connect two programs inappropriately -- an upas/nedmail running in one name space with an upas/fs running in a different name space. If, on the other hand, you were also running acme Mail in the cpu window, then everything would have worked out fin

Re: [9fans] interesting potential targets for plan 9 and/or inferno

2007-03-16 Thread C H Forsyth
>Plan9-with-Alef became Inferno and no-one is suggesting that _it_ should >be more widely adopted by adding Linux or Windows features to it. you'd be surprised ... (or perhaps not). anyway, i think uriel is right and this endlessly revisited discussion isn't profitable, and could be dealt with in

Re: [9fans] faces and the plumb messages received by cpu connections

2007-03-16 Thread erik quanstrom
i use two mailboxes at work -- one local and one imap. this requires some changes to nedmail as ned assumed that any named mbox needed to be reopened. my copy of nedmail is in /n/sources/contrib/quanstro/nedmail.c. if this is helpful, let me know and i'll clean it up for submission. - erik On

Re: [9fans] Help a poor man out - poor man's installation.

2007-03-16 Thread Steve Simon
If you have anough disk to generate a FAT partition to temporarly hold the unzip'ed ISO then put it there - or maybe put a spare hard disk in box temporarly. You should then be able to use the boot/install floppy image which is on the same page as the ISO at the bell-labs site to start the install

Re: [9fans] faces and the plumb messages received by cpu connections

2007-03-16 Thread Steve Simon
I would suggest a better solution would be to start the local upas/fs watching the two different mailboxes - I haven't tried this for a long time but it should work (bitrot not withstanding). in your profile: plumber 9fs remote upas/fs -n # do not open /mail/b

Re: [9fans] interesting potential targets for plan 9 and/or inferno

2007-03-16 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On 3/15/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm sorry we (I, in particular) lost the thread of this conversation, as you point out. I think it should be made clear as soon as the subject is raised that Plan 9 is not anywhere near ready for broad acceptance, largely because it would

[9fans] Help a poor man out - poor man's installation.

2007-03-16 Thread ramkromberg
Hello 9fans, I'm trying to install plan9 without the aid of a CD-Drive at all, but the documents on the subject and the 9fans archive were too sketchy for a poor guy like me ;-) This is the specs: Intel Pentium 100, 32mb Ram, MoBo shuttle hot555 Intel 430tx triron, Serial Mouse. PCI Ethernet contro

[9fans] faces and the plumb messages received by cpu connections

2007-03-16 Thread Gabriel Díaz
Hello I cpu'ed to a host A, and cpu forwarded a plumb message about a new mail, so faces displays it, but it has no access to it as that upas/fs is in other namespace. If I click on the message, faces tries to open the email with the number from the Plumb message. If you have that index number

Re: [9fans] interesting potential targets for plan 9 and/or inferno

2007-03-16 Thread Uriel
Stop this thread. Please. Eternally grateful uriel P.S.: If you need to have this discussion, please read the 9fans archives from the past ten years, you will not notice the difference. On 3/16/07, Harri Haataja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 09:28:00PM +0200, [EMAIL PROT

Re: [9fans] interesting potential targets for plan 9 and/or inferno

2007-03-16 Thread Harri Haataja
On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 09:28:00PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > As I see little merit in making another Windows of Plan 9, even via > the Linux route, I prefer the second option. Also, I don't understand > the benefits of the first option: when I want Linux, NetBSD or > Windows, I have them a

Re: [9fans] interesting potential targets for plan 9 and/or inferno

2007-03-16 Thread Geoffrey Avila
> > PS: I think Plan 9's biggest "mistake" was to drop Alef where it > should have become the _only_ development language. I know this is > absolute pie-in-the-sky and I accept without qualification the > motivation for dropping Alef. But a lot of discussion would have been > avoided if there was