Re: [9fans] GCC/G++: some stress testing

2008-03-09 Thread Bruce Ellis
and take it all in. gcc texi is larger than the kenc source. i know which is easier to read. brucee On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 4:53 AM, Aharon Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really find it hard to believe that the best intellects in computing are incapable of stemming the tide. I'm not

Re: [9fans] thoughs about venti+fossil

2008-03-08 Thread Bruce Ellis
perhaps a more sophisticated response would be to accept the fact that you don't know what you are doing and don't really want advice. we only mock you not because you have an idea that didn't pan out ... but because you won't shut up about i don't know what i'm doing but i'll type another page of

Re: [9fans] thoughs about venti+fossil

2008-03-06 Thread Bruce Ellis
with an expected dollar cost of 2**-60 dollars on that collision. I don't pick up pennies in the street. I certainly won't dedicate any more brainpower to this silliness. Paul Enrico Weigelt wrote: * Bruce Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's even sillier, if everyone bought 1,000,000 times

Re: [9fans] thoughs about venti+fossil

2008-03-05 Thread Bruce Ellis
did you miss the 2^90? rather a lot really compared to lottery (~2^24). brucee On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, From the fortune file: You are roughly 2^90 times more likely to win a U.S. state

Re: [9fans] thoughs about venti+fossil

2008-03-05 Thread Bruce Ellis
it's even sillier, if everyone bought 1,000,000 times as many tickets guess how that would change the probabilities. not at all! brucee On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 3:15 PM, andrey mirtchovski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, cracking the lottery jackpot happens quite often (if people would buy as

Re: [9fans] thoughs about venti+fossil

2008-03-05 Thread Bruce Ellis
my sister was once bitten by a moose. On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 3:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: About one or two years ago, it happened that someone in my city cracked the jackpot. ahh, but was he hit by lightning *at the same time*? and then did that pair of events happen to the *same

Re: [9fans] thoughs about venti+fossil

2008-03-05 Thread Bruce Ellis
Uriel, is this guy just a clueless dick? Or am I missing a milligram of sense in a mountain of bullshit? brucee On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Uriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So we've seen again: statistics are *never* reliable. It only helps for vague decisions on very large masses,

Re: [9fans] GCC/G++: some stress testing

2008-03-02 Thread Bruce Ellis
i hope you tell them repeatedly that it makes you want to eat your own vomit. life is too short too play with badd technology, particularly if you are trying to make money. (Badd is a TM of Badd Attitude, girlie dancers of mine you wish you'd seen.) brucee On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 3:28 PM, ron

Re: [9fans] GCC/G++: some stress testing

2008-03-01 Thread Bruce Ellis
There is a lot of G code that really essentially is only portable to linux (or close, e.g. BSDs). There is other code that works nearly everywhere that has a GCC. The why bother pessimism is best reserved for more suitable occasions. I'm really glad when APE allows me to compile legacy code and

Re: [9fans] GCC/G++: some stress testing

2008-03-01 Thread Bruce Ellis
Also note that neither F77 nor ratfor produced particularly good code. They did, however, work. Both attributes are required by the Fortran community. If the GCC stuff provides this service and you want to do the work then I won't throw stones. brucee On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 3:41 AM, ron

Re: [9fans] GCC/G++: some stress testing

2008-03-01 Thread Bruce Ellis
I mentioned to skip that you were mistaken but it seemed like an honest mistake so we had brunch. Where is all the abuse gone anyway, or are my filters working? brucee On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 8:36 AM, ron minnich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 12:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [9fans] introduction to introduction to plan9 - video

2008-02-29 Thread Bruce Ellis
so what format do you want the next one in? we talking in coming ... .. .. . but believe it or not i screwed up the talkie, sorta. the audio, as indistinct as it may be, is not compressed. a team of primates are looking into it. the NW studio is totally together. brucee On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at

Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

2008-02-27 Thread Bruce Ellis
no, skip did most of the work. i just reminded him how neat plan9 is and, as usual, that most of the work is already done for you. brucee On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Skip Tavakkolian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: here's a screen capture of an acme session that might be useful to those who are

Re: [9fans] video of an acme session

2008-02-27 Thread Bruce Ellis
gotta love gmail ads ... Seattle MacSOS Support - SeattleMacSOS.com - Your Personal Mac Lifesaver Apple Certified Helpdesk Specialist give them a call! brucee On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Uriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, I love how 9fans has become a mac tech support group... Maybe it

Re: [9fans] Non-stack-based calling conventions

2008-02-26 Thread Bruce Ellis
Dis on a Chip is not stack based. There are no stacks at all. A very real advantage is that there are hence no restartable faults. If my memory serves me right this was the reason that the C compiler for the Cray XMP had segmented stacks. (A call would check if there was enough left in the

[9fans] Re: DoaC - the beagle has landed

2008-02-21 Thread Bruce Ellis
The restricted group http://groups.google.com/group/dis-on-a-chip has been created. e-mail me if you are interested, or whatever is needed to join. I'm not very familiar with google groups but I guess I'll learn. brucee [end of DoaC pollution of 9fans]

Re: [9fans] Re: DoaC - the beagle has landed

2008-02-21 Thread Bruce Ellis
it won't let me ... 1 user doesn't permit managers to add them [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 6:55 AM, Eric Van Hensbergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: add me if you please. -eric On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Bruce Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The restricted group

Re: [9fans] Non-stack-based calling conventions

2008-02-20 Thread Bruce Ellis
http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-behave-on-an-internet-forum On Feb 20, 2008 10:39 PM, maht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... lolz, I go away for 3 days and I must have left the back door open because when I came back the place was full of ignorant bitches. ...

Re: [9fans] New to plan 9: what next?

2008-02-20 Thread Bruce Ellis
at least 99% of him. On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Benjamin Huntsman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did Russ just bail?? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Russ Cox Sent: Wed 2/20/2008 10:13 AM To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject:

[9fans] DoaC - the beagle has landed

2008-02-20 Thread Bruce Ellis
Dis on a Chip is moving on. Those at IWP92006 have some knowledge of it. Enough has been simulated to death that work with real hardware starts this week. I'm open to suggestions about how to manage an on-line discussion group. 9fans is not the right forum. Please send me off-list e-mail with

Re: [9fans] Non-stack-based calling conventions

2008-02-18 Thread Bruce Ellis
grep impressed /sys/games/lib/fortunes On Feb 18, 2008 7:30 PM, Anant Narayanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't let the bastards get you down. Believe me when I say you're not the only one who would vote Bruce off the list if it were an option. Wow, that makes two of you. Real Impressive.

Re: [9fans] Insultant...

2008-02-18 Thread Bruce Ellis
it's now www.chunder.com/insultant - needs repair but it's there. brucee On Feb 19, 2008 11:14 AM, Andrew Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in 2005 I used wget (or so) to grab insultant.net, as well as boyds cafepress stuff. on disk it's 39248 Kb. I'll have to see how to get it to you.

Re: [9fans] Non-stack-based calling conventions

2008-02-18 Thread Bruce Ellis
John the Apostle wasn't real. Mark V. Shaney was. brucee On Feb 19, 2008 11:39 AM, Brantley Coile [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't let the bastards get you down. Believe me when I say you're not the only one who would vote Bruce off the list if it were an option. Don't diss brucee. He's

Re: [9fans] Non-stack-based calling conventions

2008-02-17 Thread Bruce Ellis
how did this get past my erik filter? wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. four out of four as expected. brucee On Feb 18, 2008 10:58 AM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so if you're running without the operating system or your application is the operating system (embedded systems), virtual

Re: [9fans] Non-stack-based calling conventions

2008-02-17 Thread Bruce Ellis
you've changed your claims! it says elephant! 1) no, limbo is not good for everything. my doorbell is better without it. in the context of the original thread you just dismissed it because you wanted to argue. 2) porting limbo does not require ken's tool chain. have you had experience with

Re: [9fans] Non-stack-based calling conventions

2008-02-17 Thread Bruce Ellis
with my own life thanks. brucee On Feb 18, 2008 5:22 PM, Robert William Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce Ellis wrote: how did this get past my erik filter? wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. four out of four as expected. Erik, Don't let the bastards get you down. Believe me when I say

Re: [9fans] pico

2008-01-30 Thread Bruce Ellis
. On Jan 30, 2008, at 6:42 PM, Pietro Gagliardi wrote: What do you think I've been doing? :-) The problem seems to be in run(), because after run() returns, poolcheck fails. I'll go check it out. On Jan 30, 2008, at 1:53 AM, Bruce Ellis wrote: work it out. it's called debugging. brucee

Re: [9fans] pico

2008-01-29 Thread Bruce Ellis
work it out. it's called debugging. brucee On Jan 30, 2008 12:13 PM, Pietro Gagliardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In this case, it only told me where the program crashed, which told me nothing on why (because a different line or a color image worked). On Jan 29, 2008, at 5:46 PM, Russ Cox

Re: [9fans] the meaning of group

2008-01-28 Thread Bruce Ellis
think about what you said. you don't understand the auth model. glad to see that you are still replying to everything and generate 40% of the traffic on 9fans. i'm with maht. this is not a i couldn't be bothered blog. yes, this is not a love song... brucee On Jan 29, 2008 10:35 AM, erik

Re: [9fans] pico

2008-01-28 Thread Bruce Ellis
well i agree that russ did a good job but JITs are fun and often make things 10 times faster. brucee On Jan 29, 2008 11:30 AM, Pietro Gagliardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, that's very impressive! open: /tmp/something does not exist (2x) no image lerp no image doug

Re: [9fans] Java

2008-01-17 Thread Bruce Ellis
yes. tho' last i saw was a ``Learn To Write A Java Book in 7 Days. i think it was released just before ``Dummies for Dummies. Charles and VN have better taste. brucee On Jan 17, 2008 7:29 PM, Charles Forsyth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i did the java class loader for inferno. it was a pointless

[9fans] off topic:is there one? boyd and pianos.

2008-01-16 Thread Bruce Ellis
i got the call today. apparently i ordered a piano a few years ago. i was working with boyd in paris and he found the most amazing music stores where i bought many unobtainable scores. and then it seems that i bought a piano. the dude was pushing the bechstein, i remember that. but i have no

Re: [9fans] off topic:is there one? boyd and pianos.

2008-01-16 Thread Bruce Ellis
i believe i went for the Bösendorfer. and if it's paid for i didn't do it. we'll see - i still live in strange and unusual times. as shaney would say why can't everyone wake at 3am terribly confused. brucee

Re: [9fans] off topic:is there one? boyd and pianos.

2008-01-16 Thread Bruce Ellis
i like berlioz's recollections of his prix de roma days. he hated italy and would disappear into the hills, play his guitar, and shoot things. life goes on. it seems the berlioz shirt is still available from http://www.cafepress.com/chunder along with other memorables. brucee On Jan 17, 2008

Re: [9fans] Java

2008-01-16 Thread Bruce Ellis
i did the java class loader for inferno. it was a pointless exercise, and i told them. but then i quit. somehow i was unimpressed by the situation. brucee On Jan 17, 2008 2:48 PM, Federico G. Benavento [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 16, 2008 11:58 PM, Pietro Gagliardi [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [9fans] frogs and osx

2008-01-04 Thread Bruce Ellis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-Jan-4, at 00:31 , Bruce Ellis wrote: not at all, pragmatic.excluding crap from filenames was and still is good. if you want to vote '\r' as not a mistake you can. but filenames created from buggy stuff die dead, as they should. We are arguing different

Re: [9fans] frogs and osx

2008-01-04 Thread Bruce Ellis
Sure, I think it's a mistake for a server to throw you frogs. But no reason (within reason) for the library to up-chuck on one. But take care where you walk. If every protocol violation had to be treated as shit happens then the world falls apart. brucee On Jan 4, 2008 9:17 PM, Steve Simon

Re: [9fans] frogs and osx

2008-01-03 Thread Bruce Ellis
my recollection is frogs was for files created by mistake. nothing to do with UTF-8. as for ICON\r ... can we call that consistency by obscurity. after all it is not to hard at all to subvert but a user won't, click click click nuh. also, i remember well when ' ' was snuck out to see if anyone

Re: [9fans] frogs and osx

2008-01-03 Thread Bruce Ellis
buggy is writing crap to a buffer ... like 0x80740378. nuke it. On Jan 4, 2008 6:37 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-Jan-4, at 00:31 , Bruce Ellis wrote: but filenames created from buggy stuff die dead, as they should. what's buggy? '/' had merit. what else?

Re: [9fans] 8c padding problem

2007-12-21 Thread Bruce Ellis
excuse me. that's what hjdicks was for .. and it's called pack. ok. abuse them or yourselfs for using such code. brucee On Dec 22, 2007 11:20 AM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but it doesn't have to be. this is legit: typedef struct{ Ehdr; // 1

Re: [9fans] 8c padding problem

2007-12-21 Thread Bruce Ellis
easy. don't do it. marshall it or go insane. guess why the IP stack is so ambivalent. it's good. happy solstice recover. brucee On Dec 22, 2007 3:34 PM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: excuse me. that's what hjdicks was for .. and it's called pack. ok. abuse them or yourselfs

Re: [9fans] Ideas for an printer filesystem

2007-12-11 Thread Bruce Ellis
No - that's would be adding a another clone interface to a driver that has a clone interface. I'll see if I can find the man page. On Dec 12, 2007 12:30 AM, roger peppe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 1, 2007 4:54 AM, Bruce Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i wrote a clonefs that changes a walk

Re: [9fans] keyboard/mouse get lost on dual cpu system

2007-12-06 Thread Bruce Ellis
i installed a fresh plan9 on trash ... i did venti/fossil and it still complains on boot about various things. but i checked the messages and they are informative, not nasty. i'm gonna live with it. i don't reboot my machines. my auth server has been going for nearly a year since it was put on

Re: [9fans] Ideas for an printer filesystem

2007-11-30 Thread Bruce Ellis
i wrote a clonefs that changes a walk to the directory created for the server to an attach with ctl. it saves a lot of replicated code. i wonder what happened to it. it's not too hard. brucee On Dec 1, 2007 3:42 PM, ron minnich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 6, 2007 6:56 PM, Enrico Weigelt

Re: [9fans] 8c out of fixed registers

2007-11-19 Thread Bruce Ellis
exactly. last time i stayed with him i ended up with a machine pistol in my bed, which i must have taken for self protection. some dumb-ass pigeon woke me up and i shot him, dead. back to sleep. no! all of his mates were attacking my window and i cursed them in french and they went away

Re: [9fans] is it still up?

2007-10-29 Thread Bruce Ellis
ok. i'll throw in an ad. plan9 was used for the control of the lighting at the 2000 sydney olympics. doesn't take much imagination to see that importing the nodes to redundant controllers worked well. brucee On Oct 30, 2007 11:59 AM, fernanbolando [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: software

Re: [9fans] gnugo port for plan9

2007-10-17 Thread Bruce Ellis
, andrey mirtchovski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i did not know that: http://www.intelligentgo.org/Home/Events/Usenix/Usenix%201984.html On 10/16/07, Bruce Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: goanna would kick its ass. brucee

Re: [9fans] gnugo port for plan9

2007-10-17 Thread Bruce Ellis
the fun for me was writing a program to beat other programs. goanna was crap playing against a human. brucee On 10/17/07, Rob 'Commander' Pike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was the first computer go tournament ever held, I believe. Peter Langston and I put it together and it was a lot of fun.

Re: [9fans] gnugo port for plan9

2007-10-16 Thread Bruce Ellis
goanna would kick its ass. brucee On 10/17/07, Lee Duhem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: very nice. lee 2007/10/17, andrey mirtchovski [EMAIL PROTECTED]: available on sources and here: http://mirtchovski.com/p9/GnuGo/ see README.PLAN9 for installation instructions. sample game:

Re: [9fans] More venti sync woes.

2007-09-27 Thread Bruce Ellis
absurd .. a UPS is your friend. there is something else wrong. brucee On 9/28/07, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it matters greatly. in some cases, if there's a lot to do, don't even bother until dma is on. otherwise, it takes simply ages. regardless of the need to get things

Re: [9fans] plan 9 overcommits memory?

2007-09-06 Thread Bruce Ellis
coding at home and getting something significant working is what i meant. but by all means write to the list instead. brucee On 9/7/07, Lyndon Nerenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-Sep-6, at 21:09 , Bruce Ellis wrote: someone written a line of relevant code during this discussion

Re: [9fans] plan 9 overcommits memory?

2007-09-06 Thread Bruce Ellis
this thread is now twice as big as the swap and proc code. is it really that much fun to do research this way? yes, it has been done. no, my current work has nothing to do with this issue. someone written a line of relevant code during this discussion? brucee On 9/7/07, Roman Shaposhnik [EMAIL

Re: [9fans] 9fans content

2007-08-10 Thread Bruce Ellis
perhaps we need a 9fans-lists to discuss lists, tho 9fans seems to cope well. or give everyone there own list. oh, that's called filtering. brucee On 8/11/07, David Leimbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/10/07, Paul Lalonde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

[9fans] 9ee

2007-08-10 Thread Bruce Ellis
short writeup on 9ee. http://www.chunder.com/plan9/9ee.html feel free to ask me to clarify/correct anything. it was a very rushed effort. brucee

Re: [9fans] 9ee

2007-08-10 Thread Bruce Ellis
the only issue is calling in and out, the two thunks. you write a small bit of assembly language for these, again and again until you get it right. there are no other compiler clashes. brucee On 8/11/07, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how do you get the native c compiler to play

Re: [9fans] 9ee

2007-08-10 Thread Bruce Ellis
that's right. the only thing that needs a native compiler is the launcher and Mr Syscall. 9eekern is of course compiled with kencc. brucee On 8/11/07, Paul Lalonde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If I'm reading brucee correctly, he's cross compiling

Re: [9fans] Bay Area Plan 9 Users Group Meeting (August '07)

2007-08-10 Thread Bruce Ellis
no silly pictures of the guys in sydney? oh well. we are all doing the 13km run tomorrow, but some of us are cheating. brucee On 8/11/07, Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Sorry for the delay! Attached please find the photos. I couldn't figure out how to transfer the

Re: [9fans] devip connect error state

2007-08-09 Thread Bruce Ellis
c'mon eric. why? when it comes to sockets has always been swept under the carpet for all known functionality. brucee On 8/9/07, Eric Van Hensbergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/8/07, Charles Forsyth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: c-state != Idle). I have no idea why we set c-state to Connected

Re: [9fans] Bay Area Plan 9 Users Group Meeting (August '07)

2007-08-08 Thread Bruce Ellis
i must be the only one still awake. good to see some familiar faces and experience unusual teleconferencing. you had to be there. i'll throw the 9ee stuff out, it's small - the host is up to you, i'm taking on the beast. brucee On 8/8/07, David Leimbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh ok! I was

Re: [9fans] Bay Area Plan 9 Users Group Meeting (August '07)

2007-08-01 Thread Bruce Ellis
when, what!? am i still admitted? brucee (mastering the standby-flight)

Re: [9fans] Plan9 unknown people

2007-07-13 Thread Bruce Ellis
you bet your ass ... so much good shit got done hanging around the coffee machine. the center was going down when we had to pay for the new coffee machine. but presto managed it well. molto bene! brucee On 7/13/07, Gorka Guardiola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/12/07, andrey mirtchovski

Re: [9fans] Anyone else see this?

2007-06-25 Thread Bruce Ellis
probably ISP load testing is more like it. i wonder how many tcp connections i can open simultaneously before things get sick (anyone tried this on a rainy afternoon?). who will crumble first? the adsl modem? the local node? the aggregator? the traffic shaper? the accounting software!? or if

Re: [9fans] 9P optimization

2007-06-23 Thread Bruce Ellis
rangbooming has lead to extreme optimiazations. i'll let skip comment on it (he's asleep i guess). but i couldn't have much worse RTT (sydney-seattle), and the traffic seems a lot lower now, and the latency has improved extraordinarily. brucee On 6/24/07, Lyndon Nerenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [9fans] equivalent of fstat | grep $portnumber ?

2007-06-19 Thread Bruce Ellis
i have dark memories of updating a sunos machine many years ago. the disk got kinda full and we were in WTF do i do mode. my blender broke down so i had to send brian out to get a new one 'cause we needed more cocktails. we could only use static linked progs because the libraries weren't their

Re: [9fans] a quick and simple minded study of configure.

2007-06-15 Thread Bruce Ellis
i've asked this before .. who are we hiding the imformation from? you reap what you do sow (grunt). built your house on sand? brucee On 6/16/07, Skip Tavakkolian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm pretty sure I'm not good at it yet but I always found this one line. word counter impressive.

Re: [9fans] quiz

2007-06-06 Thread Bruce Ellis
easy. ken had (has) no respect for bitfields. he is a wise man. brucee On 6/6/07, Kris Maglione [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 12:30:55AM -0400, Kris Maglione wrote: !8c test.c 8l test.8 ! !./8.out foo.x: -1 ! Also: !8c -wF test.c 8l test.8 warning: test.c:11 format

Re: [9fans] XML

2007-05-22 Thread Bruce Ellis
to throw a spaniard in the works (never was good at mangling metaphors) i use XML to store midi patches and configs. as a human never edits them directly (the pre-existing library does that) it was a good choice. i considerered an ndb approach, and S-expressions, but i like what i got. i could

Re: [9fans] Not a rant. Don't disregard.

2007-05-18 Thread Bruce Ellis
in respect to Boyd i would say shut the f*ck up and write some code ... or write some endless crap to a mailing list. that's why i seldom read mailing lists. nothing is more boring than linux does it. guess what ... if it does you are lucky. if it doesn't then file an ignored bug report.

Re: [9fans] An idiot question

2007-05-13 Thread Bruce Ellis
great info. i have a few mac usb keyboards (they last longer than iMacs and get discarded on the street - with f*cked iMac). i've always wanted a del from them. thanks, brucee On 5/13/07, Kim Shrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: fn+delete works perfectly. Thanks. Kim On May 12, 2007, at 7:18

Re: [9fans] speaking of kenc

2007-05-06 Thread Bruce Ellis
have a look at the listed l.s files ... test files! On 5/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think this has gone off track. i read brucee's original post as an argument against polluting c with asm()/__asm{}. obviously there is asm in the plan9 distro; try du -a /sys/src|

Re: [9fans] speaking of kenc

2007-05-05 Thread Bruce Ellis
thank you for replying for me. you know my mindset well. i'm not enthused by inline either. things were different when function calls were expensive but inlines just blow your cache for little benefit and incite incivility, bloating binaries. perkin-elmer (remember them?) once released a

Re: [9fans] speaking of kenc

2007-05-05 Thread Bruce Ellis
yes i don't need imagination. all plan9 C compilers do NOT translate to asm. check it it out and learn something. ken is cleverer than that path. brucee On 5/6/07, Rogelio Serrano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/5/07, Bruce Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i meant it. asm is gone, or should

Re: [9fans] speaking of kenc

2007-05-05 Thread Bruce Ellis
it would really disapoint me if someone tried to implemnent asm in kenc. call it unkenc. can you imagine something as dumb as gcc asm thrown in there or something even simpler. gee, no need for asms in /sys/src ... just a small (very) of assembler in each library. kick me. brucee On 5/6/07,

Re: [9fans] usb: keyboards vs. hubs

2007-05-04 Thread Bruce Ellis
yes you are in a USB vortex. no human can implement the standard. no standards dudes can implement anything. brucee On 5/4/07, Lyndon Nerenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is it with keyboards plugged in to USB hubs that the kernel doesn't like? I thought it was just a broken hub when I

Re: [9fans] speaking of kenc

2007-05-04 Thread Bruce Ellis
isn't it bleeding obvious by now that asm is dumb. a function call into something in a *.s file will do. you'll find a few entry points in your fave l.s. can i say dumb-asm on this list? i saw an attempt of ill-informed cleverness where spl() etc were picked up by the compiler and inlined. i

Re: [9fans] what a surprise

2007-05-04 Thread Bruce Ellis
i have never corded. i just need a mouse that has 3 buttons to do my work. i grabbed a couple in paris at FNAC 'cause they were obviosly stuff they couldn't sell. they were a few euros each. chord away. it's a personal choice. brucee On 5/5/07, W B Hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve

Re: [9fans] speaking of kenc

2007-05-04 Thread Bruce Ellis
i meant it. asm is gone, or should have been many years ago. explain a simple case when you need it. brucee On 5/5/07, Roman Shaposhnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 19:35 -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: That's called as(1). On any architecture with a non-trivial

Re: [9fans] speaking of kenc

2007-04-26 Thread Bruce Ellis
official C went downhill more than 20 years ago. fortunately you can still program in what i called Safe-C in some flippant paper. i was particulalry impressed with VS2005 which has wchar_t as a fundamental type which can't be assigned to anything. shoot me, i did a if(sizeof(wchar_t) ==

Re: [9fans] jukebox jury - uriel's a miss!!

2007-04-24 Thread Bruce Ellis
don't underestimate the insight of abhey shah, IWP9 2006. he showed a file system that can be accessed thru many paths. we had some tapas and beer and he got me onto a jukebox solution. /beethoven/concertos/piano should have the same contents as /concertos/piano/beethoven tell me if i'm

Re: [9fans] jukebox jury - uriel's a miss!!

2007-04-24 Thread Bruce Ellis
luke - trust the tapas. On 4/24/07, matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that was me :) but hey, it's only a few binds, have them on me anyway don't underestimate the insight of abhey shah, IWP9 2006. he showed a file system that can be accessed thru many paths. we had some tapas and

[9fans] and you thought gsoc is fun ...

2007-04-12 Thread Bruce Ellis
tentative announcemnet of IWP 2007s ... ('s' can be south, or sans ...) there are a few interested dignarities for october in sydney. i don't want to clog the list with a monster thread, so perhaps e-mail me after consideration. who what when ... sorta stuff. regards brucee

Re: [9fans] 9P2000 and p9p

2007-04-11 Thread Bruce Ellis
can i say that EOD is useless on synthesized files. may be good on readonly stuff. i hate the extra read of 0 but get over it. as presto once said are you just whining or preposing a solution?. brucee On 4/11/07, Russ Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no correlation between read and

Re: [9fans] Denver Plan9 Users Group

2007-04-10 Thread Bruce Ellis
i flew back from usenix with rob and we had a hop in denver. it was fantastic - nice thunderstorm and plane going nutty. we survived. the kid in front of me said oh yeah very loudly when we landed, as was his want. i guess i was silly turning the lights on and off with the lightning, but i was

Re: [9fans] 9fans of México... Unite!

2007-04-10 Thread Bruce Ellis
and if you ask simply about a quiet ale, there is evidence of that from last years wonderful get-together. brucee On 4/10/07, Geoffrey Avila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you ever come up to Tijuana, let me know. I'm about 22km due N. -GBA Following a generalized interest in socializing...

Re: [9fans] IP geolocation bug

2007-04-03 Thread Bruce Ellis
the code is very cool. presto wrote it. not sure if it's public tho i have a limbo version. brucee On 4/3/07, Lyndon Nerenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 2, 2007, at 9:00 PM, Russ Cox wrote: Fixed, sorry. The DNS process had died and been restarted, but the external program that

Re: [9fans] IP geolocation bug

2007-04-03 Thread Bruce Ellis
it scrounges around, as would the author, and makes a good guess. the ozinferno http service uses the algorithm. it blocks kansas (only kidding). brucee On 4/3/07, Lyndon Nerenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 2, 2007, at 11:29 PM, Bruce Ellis wrote: the code is very cool. presto wrote

Re: [9fans] Venti Install

2007-03-26 Thread Bruce Ellis
that's a smart hint. tho going to the pub while it does its stuff is tastier. my limbo venti is format on demand which seems more sensible. who cares if the rest of the arena space contains crap? i don't - as long as it's ready for use when needed. brucee On 3/26/07, YAMANASHI Takeshi [EMAIL

Re: [9fans] interesting potential targets for plan 9 and/or inferno

2007-03-06 Thread Bruce Ellis
the best way to piss off a linux dude who wakes up, updates his system, goes to work, updates everything that isn't locked down, and then sit's you in front of a good box ... is to say every two minutes how do i get rid of this gargoyle. was a funny day ... i showed him how the mouse didn't work

Re: [9fans] abaco and gmail

2007-02-17 Thread Bruce Ellis
a tight coupling is transparent in (oz/any)inferno. On 2/17/07, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i don't know how fgb is doing, but after reading the ecmascript spec, i was considerably less hopeful that i'd have the time to implement it. imho, the worst feature is that it requires

Re: [9fans] port to IXP425?

2007-02-17 Thread Bruce Ellis
5c copes with the ixp1200. i haven't looked closely at the 425 but i don't see any problems. inferno works fine on the ixp1200. brucee On 2/18/07, Gabriel Diaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello is there a port of inferno or plan9 to this thing? are the arm compilers able to generate code for

Re: [9fans] plumber - more versatile than previously thought

2007-02-06 Thread Bruce Ellis
does this mean that plan9 doesn't work on friday afternoons? my building recently got a $22,000 quote for a job that ended up costing $40. get stallman onto this - OpenSewer - all turds should be free. brucee On 2/7/07, Skip Tavakkolian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So apparently the fact that I

Re: [9fans] yacc question

2007-02-05 Thread Bruce Ellis
cool hack, ESCAPE ESCAPE ... too much confusion. On 2/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have access to the code currently, but I believe the trick was to have the function that lex calls to get its next input character notice the start of a non-ASCII UTF sequence, read

Re: [9fans] s_putc and Runes

2007-02-05 Thread Bruce Ellis
exactly. time spent optimizing something that uses 3% of the CPU by 10% is better spent going to the beach, or almost anything. On 2/5/07, Russ Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: void s_putrune(String *s, Rune r) { char rbuf[UTFmax]; s_nappend(s, rbuf, runetochar(rbuf, r)); }

Re: [9fans] ... --- ...

2007-02-05 Thread Bruce Ellis
hand code that part. it's a bit tricky but not too hard. i've done it dozens of times (got it right 20 years ago and use copy/paste). almost any screwy requirement is best done by just doing it. lex has it's land but it will drive you insane - and in a parallel universe you've finished the C

Re: [9fans] s_putc and Runes

2007-02-05 Thread Bruce Ellis
well all of this was solved ten years ago, because limbo has a well performing string type. it's so convenient. brucee On 2/6/07, Joel Salomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe if someone needs/wants to implement a language with a built-in string type… That's crazy-talk. Then let's talk

Re: [9fans] setmalloctag in cc.a?

2007-02-05 Thread Bruce Ellis
well i was surprised by setmalloctag when first introduced. it's good. but if you have your own malloc then you have to stub it, it can do nothing or something good. ozinferno (Rel C) got screwed by this but simply fixed. simple answer, if you have your own malloc then think about how you can

Re: [9fans] Replacements for lex

2007-01-20 Thread Bruce Ellis
I taught a course in advanced compiler construction where the students were required to write a lisp interpreter in C and then write a rudimentry C compiler in their lisp. The bits you don't have to do included the c lex function which was presented to them in lisp as a (c:token) function. I've

Re: [9fans] python indent acme proportional fonts ah joy

2007-01-04 Thread Bruce Ellis
i certainly hope it does. otherwise they have to make up another reason for such insanity. brucee On 1/5/07, Skip Tavakkolian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm finding that I am counting spaces in acme when I get the occasional python 'unindent' error. does python require a character in the 6th

Re: [9fans] python

2007-01-04 Thread Bruce Ellis
i think python will crush you ... that is its evolutionary purpose. brucee On 1/5/07, Dave Lukes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There may be the germ of an insane but possibly usable idea here ... What we need is a facility by which a program can glue together a bunch of object files when it's run

Re: [9fans] ,m0

2006-12-17 Thread Bruce Ellis
it had the appropriate effect. confused everyone. i did hesitate when i gave you the solution saying that i couldn't remember if it was right. it took a while to get the right wording out of uriel but he did end up unwittingly saying some very funny things. brucee On 12/18/06, Paul Lalonde

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