Re: [9fans] THX hell

2007-05-03 Thread csant
On Wed, 02 May 2007 19:45:39 +0200, W B Hacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anthony Sorace wrote: you might talk to the Opera people. Opera is certainly worth a look, IMNSHO. We've just stated shedding Firefox and SeaMonkey in favor of Opera. :) What project is that? Current license is not

Re: [9fans] THX hell

2007-05-02 Thread csant
point me at one, I'll do it. It has to do AJAX. Opera is quite a bit smaller than Firefox, both in disk size and memory footprint. And does AJAX. /c

Re: [9fans] THX hell

2007-05-02 Thread W B Hacker
Anthony Sorace wrote: you might talk to the Opera people. in addition to having a PC-type browser that runs on multiple platforms, they have slimmed-down versions that run on various embedded platforms. they've got a smallish version that runs on the Nokia N800 (a linux-based handheld device) whi

Re: [9fans] THX hell

2007-05-02 Thread Anthony Sorace
you might talk to the Opera people. in addition to having a PC-type browser that runs on multiple platforms, they have slimmed-down versions that run on various embedded platforms. they've got a smallish version that runs on the Nokia N800 (a linux-based handheld device) which has decent performan

Re: [9fans] THX hell

2007-05-02 Thread ron minnich
On 5/2/07, csant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It has ballooned (firefox) to require a 2GB USB stick Why Firefox? There are smaller Linux browsers. /c point me at one, I'll do it. It has to do AJAX. I'm not really knowledgeable about browsers. It's just that people asked for firefox. I don't ca

Re: [9fans] THX hell

2007-05-02 Thread csant
It has ballooned (firefox) to require a 2GB USB stick Why Firefox? There are smaller Linux browsers. /c

Re: [9fans] THX hell

2007-05-01 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On 5/1/07, ron minnich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: it's interesting to run this stuff by hand, and just see what a tangle web we have weave'd over 15 years. It's been a while since I watched x apps this closely. Xterm opens about 50 libs, while failing to open about 300. This would actually ma

Re: [9fans] THX hell

2007-05-01 Thread ron minnich
well, I am close. X is now starting up -- you can NOT start X without being able to run a keyboard compiler when it starts -- and xterm is running, and doing this: 1201 write(2, "Failed to open input method\n", 28) = 28 which boils down to it can't find this: 1201 open("/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/local

Re: [9fans] THX hell

2007-05-01 Thread Steve Simon
Ok, Talking out of my hat completely but can you extract enough of X11 to initialise the server and exit? maybe a main.c that wraps around the initialisation code of an apropriate X11 VGA driver. If you can do this then your fb drawterm could just map the relevant bit of memory and draw in it, mu

Re: [9fans] THX hell

2007-05-01 Thread ron minnich
On 5/1/07, Bakul Shah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1. Stick with Xen, add vesafb to Xen, done. > 2. Stick with Xen, add X server to THX distro, run drawterm-x11, done. > 3. Move to KVM, so we can have vesafb, use drawterm-fb, done. > > any ideas here? What makes sense? Doesn't KVM requires hardw

Re: [9fans] THX hell

2007-05-01 Thread Bakul Shah
> 1. Stick with Xen, add vesafb to Xen, done. > 2. Stick with Xen, add X server to THX distro, run drawterm-x11, done. > 3. Move to KVM, so we can have vesafb, use drawterm-fb, done. > > any ideas here? What makes sense? Doesn't KVM requires hardware virtualization? Also Xen is supposedly faster

Re: [9fans] THX hell

2007-05-01 Thread geoff
In (3), are you suggesting plan 9 on kvm directly, or plan 9 on xen on kvm?

Re: [9fans] THX hell

2007-05-01 Thread ron minnich
On 5/1/07, Richard Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > any ideas here? What makes sense? 4. Use the T41 instead. yeah, but the goal here is to provide something others can use. So, I reject (4) :-) ron

Re: [9fans] THX hell

2007-05-01 Thread Richard Miller
> any ideas here? What makes sense? 4. Use the T41 instead.

[9fans] THX hell

2007-05-01 Thread ron minnich
OK, here's a quandary. THX is the tiny horrible xen, a little USB stick that I've got a standalone system, AND a terminal you can boot from (e.g.) 9grid.net. It has ballooned (firefox) to require a 2GB USB stick, but hey, they're $15 at Fry's, who cares. You can boot it, it boots fine and works f