Re: [Acme] ACME Operational best practices

2018-07-17 Thread Jacob Hoffman-Andrews
On 07/14/2018 04:38 PM, Tobias Fiebig wrote: Back when we submitted Cloud Strife [0] to NDSS, we reached out to the list on pushing our mitigations toward a recommendation/best practices RFC. Given that with the Birge-Lee paper, there is now a second attack vector, we (Kevin Borgolte and I, bu

[Acme] I-D Action: draft-ietf-acme-acme-13.txt

2018-07-17 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Automated Certificate Management Environment WG of the IETF. Title : Automatic Certificate Management Environment (ACME) Authors : Richard Barnes

Re: [Acme] AD Review: draft-ietf-acme-acme-12

2018-07-17 Thread Salz, Rich
At IETF102 we had extremely strong consensus to merge this, to address the last open AD review comment. As Richard said, if you have concerns or objections, please speak up NOW. /rich, co-chair From: Richard Barnes Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 at 6:00 PM To: "c...@letsencrypt.o

Re: [Acme] AD Review: draft-ietf-acme-acme-12

2018-07-17 Thread Richard Barnes
and based on feedback at the meeting, I went ahead and merged this. I understand that EKR will be issuing an IETF last call soon, so if you have concerns about this change, please raise them there. Or on this thread, but in any case, ASAP. Thanks, --Richard On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 4:27 PM

Re: [Acme] AD Review: draft-ietf-acme-acme-12

2018-07-17 Thread Richard Barnes
I went ahead and posted a PR implementing EKR's suggestion: https://github.com/ietf-wg-acme/acme/pull/429 On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 4:23 PM Daniel McCarney wrote: > We have multiple CA’s that support it, and other implementations as well. > > > Of the multiple CAs that support ACME, which suppor

Re: [Acme] ACME-CAA vs. RFC6844 vs. RFC6844bis (Was: Re: Time for ACME-CAA discussion at 102)

2018-07-17 Thread Corey Bonnell
Hi Ilari, Unfortunately, the situation is even more grave than allowing 0-length whitespace delimiters, as section 3 and section 5.2 of RFC 6844 contradict each other in regard to the delimiter (section 3 specifies the parameter delimiter as a semicolon, whereas in section 5.2 it's "0 or more wh

Re: [Acme] ACME-CAA vs. RFC6844 vs. RFC6844bis (Was: Re: Time for ACME-CAA discussion at 102)

2018-07-17 Thread Tim Hollebeek
Yeah, I'm not particularly picky on the solution as long as we agree on a solution that works. I believe that parameter usage is pretty rare in the wild right now, so I think we have time to come to a consensus about what the right behavior is, and document it via fixing examples or errata or what

Re: [Acme] ACME-CAA vs. RFC6844 vs. RFC6844bis (Was: Re: Time for ACME-CAA discussion at 102)

2018-07-17 Thread Ilari Liusvaara
On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 01:08:28PM +, Tim Hollebeek wrote: > Yes, the RFC 6844 grammar is a mess, and it has significantly impeded > efforts to improve CAA. It's one of the things I think is most important to > fix in 6844bis. The main problem in my opinion with RFC6844 grammar is the example

Re: [Acme] ACME-CAA vs. RFC6844 vs. RFC6844bis (Was: Re: Time for ACME-CAA discussion at 102)

2018-07-17 Thread Salz, Rich
>- Change reference to RFC6844bis. A standards-track document cannot reference a draft. So either we wait, or we wait for an errata to be written and accepted, or we do this: >- Fix examples (and other text) to be consistent with the RFC6844 grammar (which pretty obviously splits

Re: [Acme] ACME-CAA vs. RFC6844 vs. RFC6844bis (Was: Re: Time for ACME-CAA discussion at 102)

2018-07-17 Thread Ilari Liusvaara
On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 01:25:51PM +, Salz, Rich wrote: > Ilari, > > That is a very impressive discussion of the issues, and examples. Thank you > very much! > > So, what should the WG do with the CAA challenge document? I think either: - Change reference to RFC6844bis. - Fix examples (

Re: [Acme] ACME-CAA vs. RFC6844 vs. RFC6844bis (Was: Re: Time for ACME-CAA discussion at 102)

2018-07-17 Thread Tim Hollebeek
My personal opinion is that the WG should try to come up with something that makes sense and complies with the intent of 6844 and its examples, instead of trying to be overly strict about complying with the current grammar as written. We can then file an errata and work with LAMPS to fix up the gr

Re: [Acme] ACME-CAA vs. RFC6844 vs. RFC6844bis (Was: Re: Time for ACME-CAA discussion at 102)

2018-07-17 Thread Salz, Rich
Ilari, That is a very impressive discussion of the issues, and examples. Thank you very much! So, what should the WG do with the CAA challenge document? ___ Acme mailing list Acme@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/acme

Re: [Acme] ACME-CAA vs. RFC6844 vs. RFC6844bis (Was: Re: Time for ACME-CAA discussion at 102)

2018-07-17 Thread Tim Hollebeek
Yes, the RFC 6844 grammar is a mess, and it has significantly impeded efforts to improve CAA. It's one of the things I think is most important to fix in 6844bis. It is particularly troubling because CABF rules point to 6844, and some people have been sticklers about requiring very strict complian

[Acme] ACME-CAA vs. RFC6844 vs. RFC6844bis (Was: Re: Time for ACME-CAA discussion at 102)

2018-07-17 Thread Ilari Liusvaara
On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 08:08:24PM -0700, Roland Shoemaker wrote: > I know this is quite late but could we reserve some time for a > discussion of the (possible) pending issues with regard to the > parameter format mismatch between ACME-CAA and 6844 and possible > solutions. I took a look at the i