Re: Alternatives to TSM

2009-02-24 Thread David Longo
One other mistake that is easy to make, and the mistake is always to give higher processor count and price, is to not distinguish Hyper-threading on Windows boxes. Many tools can't tell the difference, and therefore you would end up paying for 8 processor cores on a 4 core server. David Longo >

Re: Alternatives to TSM

2009-02-24 Thread David Longo
Another thought on changing vendors is this. If IBM really is cranking up the maintenance price in general, then the competitors will follow soon after, maybe not as much but close. Follow the herd mentality. David Longo >>> "Conway, Timothy" 2/24/2009 5:14 PM >>> AS far as I know, there was n

Re: Alternatives to TSM

2009-02-24 Thread Conway, Timothy
I've wondered about that sort of thing. That's why I said " > I wish I had more of a role in this than "This is what we must have > done. Make it happen". ". There has to be more to this than what I was told. So far, "if you essentially got it free on some special deal in the first place" is t

Re: Alternatives to TSM

2009-02-24 Thread Bell, Charles (Chip)
All excellent points. I've lived 'em. -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Wanda Prather Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:45 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Alternatives to TSM By any chance do you back up a lot of

Re: Alternatives to TSM

2009-02-24 Thread Wanda Prather
By any chance do you back up a lot of desktops? I've seen more than 1 case where the IBM rep actually pulled the wrong numbers for a quote when there were a bunch of desktops involved. (The licensing is confusing for everyone, not just customers...) Your IBM rep should be able to SHOW you the br

Re: Alternatives to TSM

2009-02-24 Thread Conway, Timothy
AS far as I know, there was no audit. The "audit tool" is about as worthless as it could be without being actually harmful. You'd think all the clients could return CPU type, count, and IDs and have a complete answer right there in the TSM server. Over the past couple years, we've greatly shrunk

Re: Alternatives to TSM

2009-02-24 Thread Bell, Charles (Chip)
I thought the audit was so last year... Is it making a comeback? :) -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Remco Post Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:55 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Alternatives to TSM On Feb 24

Re: Alternatives to TSM

2009-02-24 Thread Remco Post
On Feb 24, 2009, at 22:34 , Conway, Timothy wrote: No increase in environment. I think this is the result of "secretive pricing meets budget cuts". Last time IBM made me an offer, they specified both list price and discount. They have done it that way for years, no secrets about it. I don't

Re: Select Statement

2009-02-24 Thread Conway, Timothy
What he means is no onsite copypool, and not all primary volumes are in the library. Our library's inadequate too. A restore volume preview isn't an option for a copypool volumes either :( Move data doesn't have a preview. Ok, here. Do a stgpool backup, disable sessions and do another stgpoo

Re: Select Statement

2009-02-24 Thread Conway, Timothy
Select volume_name fron contents where object_id in (select object_id from contents where volume_name='volumename') and stgpool='primarypoolname') group by volume_name I think it would take a LONG freaking time to run, though. -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads

Re: Select Statement

2009-02-24 Thread Huebschman, George J.
I too am confused, not that that is so unusual. I am not sure I understand what you are saying. There are offsite volumes, but no copypool. So, the (physically ?) offsite volumes are in the primary pool hierarchy? Is that the case? If so, and reclamation is really what is going on, then it is s

Re: Select Statement

2009-02-24 Thread Lepre, James
I am confusing. What i am trying to say is I know the tape being reclaimed but that tape need other tapes to pull files from simce it is non collocated. Am i making sense - Original Message - From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Sent: Tue Feb 24 16:24:03 2009 Subject:

Re: Alternatives to TSM

2009-02-24 Thread Conway, Timothy
No increase in environment. I think this is the result of "secretive pricing meets budget cuts". That's the only way I can see dropping support on 18 out of 20 products and having the price double. I also think it was inappropriate for me to post the question here. This is not the place to incit

Re: Select Statement

2009-02-24 Thread Howard Coles
Hmm. I'm confused. IF you don't have a copy pool then the volume required for reclamation is the volume, or volumes that are set to be reclaimed. A good way to find out which volumes need reclamation is: select volume_name as TAPEPOOL_VOL,est_capacity_mb as CAPACITY,pct_utilized as UTILIZATION,

Re: Select Statement

2009-02-24 Thread Howard Coles
There is a command to find out which volumes would be required to "restore" a volume. So I'd assume they'd be the same offsite volumes that would be required for reclamation. Right? Restore vol volnum preview=yes See Ya' Howard > -Original Message- > From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mai

Re: Select Statement

2009-02-24 Thread Lepre, James
Well The reason I am asking is that we do not have a copypool setup for our offsite tapepool since we are using a VTL. However, the physical library is small and some of the tapes needed to reclaim may not be in the system. If I can generate a list of tapes needed to reclaim a certain volume then

Re: Select Statement

2009-02-24 Thread Remco Post
Interesting question. Why would you want to know? I hope your primary volumes are all on-line? On Feb 24, 2009, at 21:48 , Lepre, James wrote: Hello Everyone, Is there a select statement or preview to see which tapes will be needed to reclaim an offsite volume. Thank you James

Re: Select Statement

2009-02-24 Thread Lepre, James
Hello Everyone, Is there a select statement or preview to see which tapes will be needed to reclaim an offsite volume. Thank you James     --- Confidentiality Notice: The information in this e-mail and any attachm

Re: Alternatives to TSM

2009-02-24 Thread Remco Post
On Feb 24, 2009, at 19:30 , Conway, Timothy wrote: IBM just doubled our maintenance. what happened? IBM has not increased the maintenance fees. Last year they increased by I believe 1% per license. So your environment doubled in size and now you have to pay twice as much to IBM for TSM s

Re: Alternatives to TSM

2009-02-24 Thread Howard Coles
Fortunately for us, our renewal hasn't gone up all that much. So, I don't think we're in any danger of dumping TSM as it stands. However, I try to not get married to any one product, that way the split up isn't as expensive. :-D I haven't heard any pricing for the Avamar stuff, would you mind

Re: Alternatives to TSM

2009-02-24 Thread Schneider, John
We are just finishing a Proof of Concept on Avamar, EMC's deduplication offering. We have not made the decision to purchase, but the testing went very well. It is better than most deduplication appliances because it actually has it's own backup client, so you can eliminate TSM licenses and shrin

Re: Alternatives to TSM

2009-02-24 Thread Howard Coles
Look at Avamar from EMC. I don't know how expensive it is, and it'll take a re-architecting of your Storage (from tape to Disk), but it's one of many. See Ya' Howard > -Original Message- > From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf > Of Conway, Timothy > Sent:

Alternatives to TSM

2009-02-24 Thread Conway, Timothy
IBM just doubled our maintenance, so we're getting rid of TSM wholesale and rearchitecting all pending IBM purchases for other platforms. I had made and won the case for keeping it as our solution despite the expense, at the level we were at through 2007, but there's no discussion for this change.

TSM and FileNet P8 integration

2009-02-24 Thread Gennadiy Khramov
Hi all. Is anyone who may tell about making three-level storage system (fc-fata-tape). How TSM & FileNet integrates, and what needs for correct working this systems. Can FileNet independently control data-flow in storage hierarchy? I badly understand how they work and which system responsible for c

Re: backups direct to tape

2009-02-24 Thread Kelly Lipp
Interesting. I wonder why that is? Kelly Lipp CTO STORServer, Inc. 485-B Elkton Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80907 719-266-8777 x7105 www.storserver.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Fred Johanson Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2

Re: HEY! All you lurkers on ADSM-L! (was: Tracking who "owns" a node)

2009-02-24 Thread Mahesh Tailor
We have a separate domain for each of the teams that manage the nodes. The individuals in the teams get rights to their specific domain only. So, when they register a new node, they can only do so in the domain they have rights to. So, we in essence know who the nodes belong to. Mahesh >>>

Re: backups direct to tape

2009-02-24 Thread Fred Johanson
In our experience, when we turned on simultaneous writes for the Lanfree stgpool, the backups went to the network. Fred Johanson TSM Administrator University of Chicago 773-702-8464 -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Kelly Lipp S

Re: numbering of Admin schedules

2009-02-24 Thread Richard Sims
On Feb 24, 2009, at 1:47 AM, ashish sharma wrote: one question Richard,if i dont make the schedule for backup devconfig and backup volhistory ,then when will be the files mentioned inhc server options will get updated and how?what i know is that,we have to specify location of these files in serv