Re: Moving to TSM Capacity based licensing from PVU - experiences

2012-07-16 Thread Nick Laflamme
When we first started renegotiating our last deal, about a year ago, the discount for ProtecTier was talked about a lot, but I don't know if it was part of the final package. We went with capacity-based licensing for two reasons: 1) no one liked dealing with PVUs, and the TSM server team could

Re: Moving to TSM Capacity based licensing from PVU - experiences

2012-07-16 Thread Steven Langdale
We moved over to per TB licensing last year, and were told categorically that the only dedupe they would take into account was TSM's dedupe. We also have ProtecTIER, and they would not take that into account. Steven On 16 July 2012 19:22, Stackwick, Stephen wrote: > Thanks, Rick. The link I pro

Re: Moving to TSM Capacity based licensing from PVU - experiences

2012-07-16 Thread Stackwick, Stephen
Thanks, Rick. The link I provided does make it appear more rigid now. I'm not a salesman, but I guess everything is negotiable if the parties are willing to dicker and it would make sense for IBM to push it's solution. Steve -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-

Re: Moving to TSM Capacity based licensing from PVU - experiences

2012-07-16 Thread Rick Adamson
Steve, Perhaps I should have stated YMMV as our negotiation with IBM took place when the cap model was in its infancy and from reviewing the link you provided it appears some aspects have changed. Basically if you use TSM compression, deduplication, and/or ProtecTier, it would be reflected in the

Re: Moving to TSM Capacity based licensing from PVU - experiences

2012-07-16 Thread Prather, Wanda
I've had a couple of customers look at capacity-based licensing, ditto what the other folks said. IBM will make a different offer to each customer, which supposedly takes into account the conversion of your existing licenses. I have one customer who only keeps their backups 2 weeks (really, rea

Re: Moving to TSM Capacity based licensing from PVU - experiences

2012-07-16 Thread Stackwick, Stephen
I'm a little surprised by this, as the TSM macros you run to calculate the storage don't know (or care) about the storage device, i.e., they just report the uncompressed storage amount: https://www-304.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21500482&wv=1 That said, if you are running TSM deduplicat

Re: Moving to TSM Capacity based licensing from PVU - experiences

2012-07-16 Thread Skylar Thompson
This has been our experience too. We've been running TSM for six years, and in that time, the number of systems has gone up 4x, the number of CPUs has gone up about 10x, and the amount of primary backup/archive data has gone up 50x. We're sticking with the core-based PVU licensing as long as we ca

Re: Moving to TSM Capacity based licensing from PVU - experiences

2012-07-16 Thread Zoltan Forray
We recently converted to a special hybrid license that is a combination of PVU and STG based. We are ~600TB primary occupancy (constantly growing) but have a lot of high-powered multi-processor systems (in research computing) so it worked out cheaper (per my guy who does licensing) to go to the S

Re: Moving to TSM Capacity based licensing from PVU - experiences

2012-07-16 Thread Rick Adamson
Ian, Our company looked into it and thought it may save some $$ and at the same time simplify the OVERLY complex PVU license model used for TSM/IBM. I'll start by saying to make sure you understand what TSM products are included in the "capacity" license proposal. From memory I don't remember the

Re: Moving to TSM Capacity based licensing from PVU - experiences

2012-07-16 Thread BEYERS Kurt
Hi Ian, As I understood IBM will make an different offer for each customer so that there is a (short term) profit. However on the long term you will pay more to IBM imho since data will grow faster than the number of cores in your servers. After all hardware replacement is done once every 4 yea

Re: Moving to TSM Capacity based licensing from PVU - experiences

2012-07-16 Thread Ian Smith
Hi, We are in the midst of discussions on moving to capacity-based licensing from the standard PVU-based method for our site. We have a large number of clients ( licensed via TSM-EE, TDP agents, and on client-device basis ) and around 1PB of primary pool data. As I understand it, there is no pu