Re: Question on Collocation

2017-11-09 Thread Drammeh, Jennifer C
on Collocation Content preview: Hi Jennifer, While there is a COLLOCGROUP option to MOVE NODEDATA, it sounds like you just want to move one node's data. Any kind of data movement operation will try to respect the collocation setting you provide at the node level, assuming you have

Re: Question on Collocation

2017-11-09 Thread Drammeh, Jennifer C
Thanks Marc! Very helpful!! -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Marc Lanteigne Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 8:15 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Question on Collocation Hi Jennifer, > I removed the n

Re: Question on Collocation

2017-11-09 Thread Skylar Thompson
Content preview: Hi Jennifer, While there is a COLLOCGROUP option to MOVE NODEDATA, it sounds like you just want to move one node's data. Any kind of data movement operation will try to respect the collocation setting you provide at the node level, assuming you have the storage pool

Re: Question on Collocation

2017-11-09 Thread Marc Lanteigne
Hi Jennifer, > I removed the node from the collocation group and added it to the new collocation group The way you did it, or just not part of a group gives the same result. So your way was good, I wasn't trying to say it wasn't, just that you could have saved a few steps and get the same

Re: Question on Collocation

2017-11-09 Thread Drammeh, Jennifer C
Marc, I removed the node from the collocation group and added it to the new collocation group - where it resides by itself. Will the move nodedata command move the data from the tapes in the old collocation group to tapes in the new collocation group? Also, do you know how to initiate

Re: Question on Collocation

2017-11-09 Thread Skylar Thompson
PM > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Question on Collocation > > Hi Jennifer, > > Do you have client-side compression enabled? I'm not familiar with what the > GUI reports, but dsmc will show this in the "Objects compressed by" > line. > > On 1

Re: Question on Collocation

2017-11-09 Thread Drammeh, Jennifer C
] Question on Collocation Hi Jennifer, Do you have client-side compression enabled? I'm not familiar with what the GUI reports, but dsmc will show this in the "Objects compressed by" line. On 11/03/2017 02:06 PM, Drammeh, Jennifer C wrote: > I use collocation and I have a node whe

Re: Question on Collocation

2017-11-03 Thread Marc Lanteigne
Hi Jennifer, The backup always only applies to the filesystem backup, not systemstate. You’ll have to change the mode of the systemstate backup to get a full. Or use move nodedata to move it all together. BTW, you would just have needed to remove the node from the collocation group. Nodes

Re: Question on Collocation

2017-11-03 Thread Skylar Thompson
Hi Jennifer, Do you have client-side compression enabled? I'm not familiar with what the GUI reports, but dsmc will show this in the "Objects compressed by" line. On 11/03/2017 02:06 PM, Drammeh, Jennifer C wrote: > I use collocation and I have a node where the System Admin

Question on Collocation

2017-11-03 Thread Drammeh, Jennifer C
I use collocation and I have a node where the System Admin has requested that his data from a particular node be isolated on tapes by itself. I created a collocation group and have associated this one node with the new group. This node had previously been backing up to a different collocation

Migration tape mount thrashing despite collocation

2013-08-05 Thread Roger Deschner
as 6 times during a single migration, something is not right. Not only is this rather slow, but it is wearing out the tapes. Group collocation is set for both the DEVTYPE=FILE disk stgpool, and the next one in the heirarchy which is tape. The collocation groups are sensibly-sized - total size of each

Re: Collocation anomaly report

2013-04-17 Thread Allen S. Rout
requirement of your infrastructure to maintain scratch availability, and do new acquisitions when scratch levels fall below foo. Frankly, I like that TSM will override collocation preferences when its at MAXSCR for volumes in a pool. Me too. I have a script, which I think I've bandied about here

Re: Collocation anomaly report

2013-04-17 Thread Allen S. Rout
it was implemented. I view collocation as a tool to Keep data from a given node in physical proximity, to reduce mount latency at restore time. Any of you who have attempted to service restores from a large pool of uncollocated data (raises hand) would see this as the primary purpose of the tool

Re: Collocation anomaly report

2013-04-17 Thread Colwell, William F.
Hi Grant, I used to track collocation group spill overs when my servers were version 5 and used tapes. Now I am on v6 and almost all disk, so I don't do that anymore. Anyway, I used a mysql database on my desktop system. I would dump data from the tsm servers and load it into mysql where I

Re: Collocation anomaly report

2013-04-17 Thread Bob Levad
vu.node_name=nd.node_name - group by vu.stgpool_name, vu.volume_name - order by Groups desc, Nodes desc, FSpaces desc We assign all nodes to collocation groups, even if it is only one node. Good luck. Bob. -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU

Collocation anomaly report

2013-04-16 Thread Grant Street
Hello We use collocation to segment data into collocation groups and nodes, but recently found that collocation is on a best efforts basis and will use any tape if there is not enough space. I understand the theory behind this but it does not help with compliance requirements. I know that we

Re: Collocation anomaly report

2013-04-16 Thread Nick Laflamme
If you absolutely need for nodes to be isolated on their own media, why aren't they in their own individual domains which point to their own storage pools, all of which might share a library? Frankly, I like that TSM will override collocation preferences when its at MAXSCR for volumes

Re: Collocation anomaly report

2013-04-16 Thread Grant Street
log that it has had to resort to non collocation. Does that make sense? I will need to look at the implications of splitting it out based on domains, thanks for the heads up. Grant On 17/04/13 10:15, Nick Laflamme wrote: If you absolutely need for nodes to be isolated on their own media, why

Re: Collocation anomaly report

2013-04-16 Thread Richard Cowen
belongs. Report those volumes as candidates for move nodedata. Richard -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Grant Street Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 7:40 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [ADSM-L] Collocation anomaly report Hello

BACKUP STGPOOL and collocation

2011-08-03 Thread Thomas Denier
pool backups with 'maxproc=4', but occasionally use 'maxproc=5'. Backup storage pool operations do not seem to be following the documented rules for collocation. The server currently has 7 collocation groups. Yesterday morning, the copy pool had 25 volumes in filling status, with one collocation

Re: BACKUP STGPOOL and collocation

2011-08-03 Thread Clark, Margaret
I have observed that for primary storage pools where the tape volumes have been DEFINEd to belong to that pool, MOVE DATA to consolidate tapes belonging to the same collocation group has unexpected results. The database reliably selects the volume copied FROM as the primary candidate

Re: Deduplication and Collocation

2011-06-22 Thread Roger Deschner
. You cannot dedup on DISK stgpools. DISK implies random access disk - e.g., devclass DISK. FILE implies serial access disk - e.g., devclass FILE. But I think there is still an open question about collocation and deduplication. Deduplication must be done using FILE stgpools, but FILE stgpools CAN

Re: Deduplication and Collocation

2011-06-22 Thread Grigori Solonovitch
Deschner Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:37 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Deduplication and Collocation Back to client side dedupe, which we're about to deploy for a branch campus 90 miles away in Rockford IL. The data is sent from the clients in Rockford via tin cans

Re: Deduplication and Collocation

2011-06-22 Thread Paul Zarnowski
@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Deduplication and Collocation Back to client side dedupe, which we're about to deploy for a branch campus 90 miles away in Rockford IL. The data is sent from the clients in Rockford via tin cans and string to the TSM server in Chicago already dedpued. We're using

Re: Deduplication and Collocation

2011-06-22 Thread Prather, Wanda
Zarnowski Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:01 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Deduplication and Collocation This is my understanding as well. I'm almost certain this is the case, though we have not yet used source dedup. ..Paul On Jun 22, 2011, at 3:34 AM, Grigori Solonovitch

Re: Deduplication and Collocation

2011-06-22 Thread David E Ehresman
FILE. But I think there is still an open question about collocation and deduplication. Deduplication must be done using FILE stgpools, but FILE stgpools CAN use collocation. I don't know what happens in this case. ..Paul At 02:38 PM 6/21/2011, Prather, Wanda wrote: If it is a file device class

Deduplication and Collocation

2011-06-21 Thread Mark Mooney
Hello, I had a student ask me today What happens if you have collocation turned on for a storage pool that you are deduplicating? I did not know what to answer because in my mind I thought well, if the data is collocated then I need to have a copy of that data on that client's tape, otherwise

Re: Deduplication and Collocation

2011-06-21 Thread Andrew Carlson
Tape pools are not de-duped, so that is not a consideration. On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 13:17, Mark Mooney mmoo...@aisconsulting.net wrote: Hello, I had a student ask me today What happens if you have collocation turned on for a storage pool that you are deduplicating?  I did not know what

Re: Deduplication and Collocation

2011-06-21 Thread Huebschman, George J.
] Deduplication and Collocation Hello, I had a student ask me today What happens if you have collocation turned on for a storage pool that you are deduplicating? I did not know what to answer because in my mind I thought well, if the data is collocated then I need to have a copy of that data on that client's

Re: Deduplication and Collocation

2011-06-21 Thread Mark Mooney
: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 8:22 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Deduplication and Collocation Tape pools are not de-duped, so that is not a consideration. On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 13:17, Mark Mooney mmoo...@aisconsulting.net wrote: Hello, I had a student ask me today What happens if you have

Re: Deduplication and Collocation

2011-06-21 Thread Prather, Wanda
Dedup only works in TSM storage pools that reside on disk (specifically devtype=FILE pools). If you have data that goes to a dedup pool, then gets migrated off to tape, it is reduped (rehydrated, reinflated, whatever you want to call it.) So collocation will still be in effect for that pool

Re: Deduplication and Collocation

2011-06-21 Thread Prather, Wanda
If it is a file device class with dedup turned off, yes. -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark Mooney Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 2:29 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Deduplication and Collocation So data

Re: Deduplication and Collocation

2011-06-21 Thread Kelly J. Lipp
-Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Prather, Wanda Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 12:27 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Deduplication and Collocation Dedup only works in TSM storage pools that reside on disk (specifically

Re: Deduplication and Collocation

2011-06-21 Thread Mark Mooney
, then gets migrated off to tape, it is reduped (rehydrated, reinflated, whatever you want to call it.) So collocation will still be in effect for that pool. -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark Mooney Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011

Re: Deduplication and Collocation

2011-06-21 Thread Prather, Wanda
@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Deduplication and Collocation Cool, Thanks :) I have questions about client dedup. Do you know of any redbook detail on that? Thanks, Mooney Prather, Wanda wprat...@icfi.com wrote: Dedup only works in TSM storage pools that reside on disk (specifically

Re: Deduplication and Collocation

2011-06-21 Thread Paul Zarnowski
- e.g., devclass FILE. But I think there is still an open question about collocation and deduplication. Deduplication must be done using FILE stgpools, but FILE stgpools CAN use collocation. I don't know what happens in this case. ..Paul At 02:38 PM 6/21/2011, Prather, Wanda wrote

Re: Deduplication and Collocation

2011-06-21 Thread Mark Mooney
Thank you Wanda! Much Appreciated! -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Prather, Wanda Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 9:09 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Deduplication and Collocation https://www-304.ibm.com/support

Re: Cost of moving to collocation by filespace

2010-11-15 Thread Thomas Denier
of that will increase my h/w costs or administration time? If you are planning for collocation by filespace for a copy storage pool with volumes shipped to an offsite vault, your are correct about the 30+ scratch tapes per night. In addition, I think your offsite reclamation processing will end up moving far

Cost of moving to collocation by filespace

2010-11-12 Thread Evans, Bill
Does anyone have an real world example of moving from a single storage pool to collation by filespace? TSM 5.5, AIX 5.3 I'm backing up a 200TB server (solaris) with 1TB of new/changed files per day. There are about 30 volumes (filespaces) and I am thinking of changing to collation to improve

Re: Cost of moving to collocation by filespace

2010-11-12 Thread Maurice van 't Loo
Hi Bill, Migration and backup stgpools shall take some extra time as there are more volumes te mount/dismount. If you have to migrate small amounts during backupperiod because you don't have enough diskpool, the backup period could be much much longer. If you define the collocation groups, don't

Re: Cost of moving to collocation by filespace

2010-11-12 Thread David E Ehresman
In a collocated world, the number of concurrent operations you can run are limited by the number of tape drives you have. Evans, Bill bev...@fhcrc.org 11/12/2010 12:26 PM Does anyone have an real world example of moving from a single storage pool to collation by filespace? TSM 5.5, AIX 5.3

Collocation groups, and the management thereof.

2010-04-02 Thread Allen S. Rout
I'm weeding my collocgroups, and I decided my management script is getting smooth enough that I'd consider exposing it for you-all to take and beat upon if you desire. Throw tomatoes, kibitz, fix my bustedness, whatever. :) http://nersp.osg.ufl.edu/~asr/media/cg/ In there are: the script

Select Total Tapes X Collocation Group

2010-03-18 Thread Anderson Douglas da Silva
Hi, I have some Collocation Group in my TSM and I need know how many tapes I have on each Collocation Group. Does anyone has this select? thanks --- Anderson

Re: Select Total Tapes X Collocation Group

2010-03-18 Thread Ben Bullock
You might look at the q nodedata command, as you can define the collocation group as an option -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Anderson Douglas da Silva Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 11:14 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU

Re: Collocation Groups Reclamation and Restore

2010-03-16 Thread Laura Lantz
[mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Wolfgang J Moeller Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 6:07 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Collocation Groups Reclamation and Restore Fred Johanson writes: Once a tape has been mounted for a collocation group's data, all nodes in that group

Re: Collocation Groups Reclamation and Restore

2010-03-16 Thread Michael Green
-- Warm regards, Michael Green On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Francisco Molero fmol...@yahoo.com wrote: 2.- When TSM restores files from these tapes. Does it restore all files in a sequential way ?. I mean TSM is reading the tape from the beginning and if it finds files to belong to this

Re: Collocation Groups Reclamation and Restore

2010-03-16 Thread Francisco Molero
, 2010 00:07 Asunto: Re: Collocation Groups Reclamation and Restore Fred Johanson writes: Once a tape has been mounted for a collocation group's data, all nodes in that group are migrated. At least when the source pool is of type DISK, I'd guess that files will still be ordered by filespace

Re: Collocation Groups Reclamation and Restore

2010-03-15 Thread Wolfgang J Moeller
Fred Johanson writes: Once a tape has been mounted for a collocation group's data, all nodes in that group are migrated. At least when the source pool is of type DISK, I'd guess that files will still be ordered by filespace and node, just like they are by filespace in the case

Re: Collocation Groups Reclamation and Restore

2010-03-12 Thread Wolfgang J Moeller
Francisco Molero writes: [...] I have some questions about Collocation Groups Reclamation and restore. First, my environment I have a Tape STGpool with 3 Collocation Groups and 10 nodes per Group. 1.- When one volume is reclaimed in this pool. How TSM does the reclamation? moving files

Re: Collocation Groups Reclamation and Restore

2010-03-12 Thread Fred Johanson
-Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Wolfgang J Moeller Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 8:51 AM To: ADSM-L@vm.marist.edu Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Collocation Groups Reclamation and Restore Francisco Molero writes: [...] I have some

Collocation Groups Reclamation and Restore

2010-03-09 Thread Francisco Molero
Hi TSMers, I have some questions about Collocation Groups Reclamation and restore. First, my environment I have a Tape STGpool with 3 Collocation Groups and 10 nodes per Group. 1.- When one volume is reclaimed in this pool. How TSM does the reclamation? moving files from one node from

Re: collocation increases tape mounts while backup

2009-12-18 Thread Steven Langdale
Indeed you are correct. Though isn't that collocation going to go out of the window on the 2nd days migrations? The daily chunks of data will be together, but all node data would be on the same tape until it gets filled. I cannot agree more on you last sentence! :) Steven Steven Langdale

collocation increases tape mounts while backup

2009-12-17 Thread EVILUTION
We are using an IBM3584 and don't use any kind of collocation. We have found the migration process from diskpool to tape collocates data by node and therefore already does a decent job of grouping node data together. The only time you may see better performance with collocation

Re: collocation increases tape mounts while backup

2009-12-17 Thread Steven Langdale
In that case you must be using collocation (albeit by accident). You may want to look at group collocation as it sounds like your tapes are probably underutilised. Unless that is you have manly fewer, bigger clients. Steven Langdale Global Information Services EAME SAN/Storage Planning

Re: collocation increases tape mounts while backup

2009-12-17 Thread Richard Sims
On Dec 17, 2009, at 5:31 PM, Steven Langdale wrote: In that case you must be using collocation (albeit by accident). Not really... Remember that, within Migpr, migration operates serially by node, and thus you get a certain amount of same-node data clumped together on sequential media

collocation increases tape mounts while backup

2009-12-16 Thread chart2
Depending on how you set up your collocation (File Systems, Server or Server Group). If you chose collocation by file system then you would mount a tape for each file sys, if you set by server then a mount per server etc ... Hope that helps

Re: collocation increases tape mounts while backup

2009-11-24 Thread Huebschman, George J.
Gardenia? Collocation directs TSM to store the data for a particular group of nodes, node, or filespace on as few volumes as possible. As Medhi Salehi noted, it keeps tape mounts to a minimum for restores, but it opens many more tapes. In primary pools if you collocate by Node, each Client

Re: collocation increases tape mounts while backup

2009-11-24 Thread David E Ehresman
I am not sure if collocating a copy pool is beneficial. It seems like the copy pool as a disaster recovery pool would be ideal to collocate, but if you send off tapes every day you end up with a fragmented set of tapes for each collocation unit anyway. To clean that up would require bringing

Re: collocation increases tape mounts while backup

2009-11-24 Thread Huebschman, George J.
, then it would make more sense, but our average is about 40% utilized. We are required to send off tapes every workday. Many tapes are so underutilized that they reclaim in a day or two.) Collocation does reduce tape contention between nodes and overall tape mounts during a disaster. If TSM is your only

collocation increases tape mounts while backup

2009-11-23 Thread gardenia28
Hi, I find by applying collocation concept, the no.of tape mount increases while taking backup... Could anyone justify it or explain me why it is so? +-- |This was sent by subhashinipanchaksha...@gmail.com via Backup Central

Re: collocation increases tape mounts while backup

2009-11-23 Thread Mehdi Salehi
The benefit of collocation is in restore time, because tape mounts will be reduces for restoring each client. If there are not enough tape drives defined in TSM server, more tape mount during backup is natural.

SELECT FOR DISTINCT VOLUMES IN A COLLOCATION GROUP

2009-09-17 Thread stg admin
Does anyone have a script that will show the volumes associated with a collocation group? I'm trying to run this but receive an error; select distinct vu.volume_name, cg.collocgroup_name from volumeusage vu, collocgroup cg where vu.node_name=cg.node_name and vu.stgpool_name='DRMC' group

Re: SELECT FOR DISTINCT VOLUMES IN A COLLOCATION GROUP

2009-09-17 Thread Wolfgang J Moeller
Does anyone have a script that will show the volumes associated with a collocation group? select distinct vv.volume_name from nodes nn, volumeusage vv - where nn.collocgroup_name=upper('$1') and vv.node_name=nn.node_name You DON'T want to use the collocgroup table. Wolfgang J

Re: SELECT FOR DISTINCT VOLUMES IN A COLLOCATION GROUP

2009-09-17 Thread Conway, Timothy
I do it this way. select distinct COLLOCGROUP_NAME,VOLUME_NAME from COLLOCGROUP,VOLUMEUSAGE where STGPOOL_NAME='LOCALTAPE' and COLLOCGROUP.NODE_NAME=VOLUMEUSAGE.NODE_NAME group by COLLOCGROUP_NAME,VOLUME_NAME To generate a list of volumes by collocation group. I actually combine

Collocation node group question

2009-08-26 Thread Grigori Solonovitch
12:30:01 tsm: BKMEmove nodedata collocggroup=LPAR07_GROUP from=daily_2 ANR4877E MOVE NODEDATA: Collocation group LPAR07_GROUP is not defined. ANS8001I Return code 11. tsm: BKME Could somebody

Re: Collocation node group question

2009-08-26 Thread TSM User
Grigori: LPAR07_GROUP is not a collocggroup. It is a nodegroup. To view the Collocation group, run q COLLOCGROUP On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 6:51 AM, Grigori Solonovitch g.solonovi...@bkme.com wrote: Dear TSMAdmins, I have faced next problem in TSM Server 5.5.3 under AIX 5.3: tsm

Re: Collocation node group question

2009-08-26 Thread Grigori Solonovitch
consider the environment before printing this Email -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of TSM User Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:18 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Collocation node group question Grigori

Re: volumes in a collocation group?stg

2009-03-19 Thread Alex Paschal
, 2009 11:42 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] volumes in a collocation group?stg On Mar 15, 2009, at 1:37 PM, Alex Paschal wrote: Nick, if you really want to mix data on tapes (I have no idea why you would want to, but the beautiful thing about TSM is you can do nearly anything

Re: volumes in a collocation group?stg

2009-03-19 Thread Alex Paschal
15, 2009 11:47 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] volumes in a collocation group?stg Hi Alex, Yes, this is related to improving restore times in a DR senario...so these are offsitevols from a copypool. Larry Clark (518) 712-5138 Home Office - Original Message - From: Alex

Re: volumes in a collocation group?

2009-03-18 Thread Botelho, Tiago (External)
Of Larry Clark Sent: sábado, 14 de Março de 2009 22:13 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [ADSM-L] volumes in a collocation group? Hi, Would someone have a query that returns all the volumes in a particular collocation group (within a copypool)?

Re: volumes in a collocation group?

2009-03-18 Thread Fred Johanson
-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] volumes in a collocation group? Hi Larry, I thing that my TSM Server do not have this DB record (version 5.2) , but I will try to help you or give you some ideas. Try sommething similarlike this: select volume_name from volumeusage where stgpool_name

Re: volumes in a collocation group?

2009-03-18 Thread Larry Clark
, 2009 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] volumes in a collocation group? Q noded col=name-of-collocpool stg=name-of-stgpool Fred Johanson TSM Administrator University of Chicago 773-702-8464 -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf

Re: volumes in a collocation group?

2009-03-18 Thread Bob Levad
: [ADSM-L] volumes in a collocation group? Thanks Fred. That was mentioned previously, but it does not show if other servers not in the colloc group are stored on those volumes. Larry Clark (518) 712-5138 Home Office - Original Message - From: Fred Johanson f...@uchicago.edu To: ADSM-L

Re: volumes in a collocation group?stg

2009-03-17 Thread David E Ehresman
these are offsitevols from a copypool. Larry Clark (518) 712-5138 Home Office - Original Message - From: Alex Paschal apasc...@msiinet.com To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] volumes in a collocation group?stg Hi, All. The critical piece

Re: volumes in a collocation group?stg

2009-03-17 Thread Larry Clark
collocation, which is not cheating but using the features of TSM to address volume contention and wait times on mounts. A mechanical mount that takes 3 minutes is a lot of time if your data is spread across 30 volumes versus 10: 20 x 3 x #number of servers. Larry Clark - Original Message - From

Re: volumes in a collocation group?stg

2009-03-17 Thread Park, Rod
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] volumes in a collocation group?stg Yes, the underlying problem is they are not collocated and they have experienced delays because of: - multiple platforms requesting the same volumes concurrently - multiple servers on the same platform requesting

Re: volumes in a collocation group?stg

2009-03-17 Thread Larry Clark
That's what collocation does. Without collocation when migrating the data from primary storage to storage pools TSM will just right to the current tape, fill it up, mount another. With collocation it writes to tapes in the collocation group (if space is available), or mounts a scratch tape

Re: volumes in a collocation group?

2009-03-15 Thread James R Owen
I believe Paul meant to say: Nodes not assigned to a specific collocation group are treated as if *each* is in *its* own private collocation group (i.e., collocation by node.) -- jim.o...@yale.edu Paul Zarnowski wrote: Nodes not assigned to a specific collocation group are treated

Re: volumes in a collocation group?

2009-03-15 Thread Nick Laflamme
On Mar 14, 2009, at 10:23 PM, Larry Clark wrote: What you say is curious..only nodes that are in a collocation group should have data on the volumes in that collocation group. At least that is my understanding. Your saying more than one collocation group can store data on the same

Re: volumes in a collocation group?stg

2009-03-15 Thread Alex Paschal
Hi, All. The critical piece that Larry mentioned is that he's interested in a copypool. If your primary pool is collocated by anything, but your copypool is not collocated at all, then your copypool data will be mixed up with no regard for collocation groups. Nick, if you really want to mix

Re: volumes in a collocation group?stg

2009-03-15 Thread Larry Clark
: Re: [ADSM-L] volumes in a collocation group?stg Hi, All. The critical piece that Larry mentioned is that he's interested in a copypool. If your primary pool is collocated by anything, but your copypool is not collocated at all, then your copypool data will be mixed up with no regard

Re: volumes in a collocation group?stg

2009-03-15 Thread Nick Laflamme
disable collocation), set to Unavailable the volumes you do _not_ wish to write to, then issue move [node]data. Gee, and I was just trying to warn Larry not to be too sure about collocation groups never sharing tapes. Kids these days Alex Nick

volumes in a collocation group?

2009-03-14 Thread Larry Clark
Hi, Would someone have a query that returns all the volumes in a particular collocation group (within a copypool)?

Re: volumes in a collocation group?

2009-03-14 Thread Nick Laflamme
On Mar 14, 2009, at 5:13 PM, Larry Clark wrote: Hi, Would someone have a query that returns all the volumes in a particular collocation group (within a copypool)? QUERY NODEDATA COLLOCG=grpname STG=stgname I suspect your mental model of how collocation works is a bit tangled, because other

Re: volumes in a collocation group?

2009-03-14 Thread Larry Clark
What you say is curious..only nodes that are in a collocation group should have data on the volumes in that collocation group. At least that is my understanding. Your saying more than one collocation group can store data on the same volume? I know for collocation by node that would

Re: volumes in a collocation group?

2009-03-14 Thread Larry Clark
From looking at the command I think q nodedata collocg=collocation group name would return all the members and volumes in a collocation group. Larry Clark (518) 712-5138 Home Office - Original Message - From: Nick Laflamme dplafla...@gmail.com To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Sent: Saturday

Re: volumes in a collocation group?

2009-03-14 Thread Paul Zarnowski
Larry, This would only be true if you had sufficient tapes so that each collocation group always has a tape in empty or filling status. Otherwise, TSM will start doubling up and putting more than one collocation group on a tape volume. When TSM is writing data to a collocated storage pool

Re: volumes in a collocation group?

2009-03-14 Thread Larry Clark
Thanks Paul. When I collocated by node I never saw any shared, so perhaps we either had sufficient tapes or those rules didn't apply to collocation by node. It would make sense if there were no empty tapes available there would be some way of satisfying the backup/migration requirement. Larry

Re: volumes in a collocation group?

2009-03-14 Thread Larry Clark
Paul, A question occurred to me.. If you have a subset of nodes defined to collocation groups, but a number of nodes not defined to collocation groups, will TSM attempt to avoid putting files not in a collocation group on volumes that have collocation groups nodes...as distinct from your

Re: volumes in a collocation group?

2009-03-14 Thread Paul Zarnowski
Nodes not assigned to a specific collocation group are treated as if they were in their own private collocation group. At 12:15 AM 3/15/2009, Larry Clark wrote: Paul, A question occurred to me.. If you have a subset of nodes defined to collocation groups, but a number of nodes

Re: Collocation

2009-01-20 Thread Bos, Karel
:+31 (0)20 Mobile:+31 (0)6 51 29 88 01 Mail: karel@atosorigin.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Lepre, James Sent: maandag 19 januari 2009 20:31 To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Collocation Hello

Re: Collocation

2009-01-19 Thread Lepre, James
Hello Everyone I have a question regarding collocation I have a VTL and would like to start using collocation for various reasons. My question is and I cant remember the answer what is it. If I collocate the pool and start a backup each node will get their own tape, however

Re: How to figure collocation overhead

2009-01-16 Thread Bob Levad
Don't forget collocation by group. All of our nodes belong to one group or another and we can then be pretty sure that collocation will do what we need. Mostly, our tape pools are collocated by group. Some nodes are in a group all by themselves and some (e.g. workstations) have many nodes

Re: How to figure collocation overhead

2009-01-16 Thread Evans, Bill
Levad Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:52 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] How to figure collocation overhead Don't forget collocation by group. All of our nodes belong to one group or another and we can then be pretty sure that collocation will do what we need. Mostly, our tape

How to figure collocation overhead

2009-01-15 Thread Evans, Bill
Is there a guide or rule of thumb for determining what collocation will do to library space? It is being considered for improving restore speeds. I'm backing up 80TB in 30 volumes(filespaces) on a solaris server. Currently there is no collocation set, all data goes to a long-term management

Re: How to figure collocation overhead

2009-01-15 Thread Richard Sims
You can easily determine how many lines of tapes you will initially break out into, based upon which of the multiple types of collocation you ultimately decide upon and how many nodes or filespaces are active, sending data to TSM storage. I would double that number to account for tape leak

Re: How to figure collocation overhead

2009-01-15 Thread Wanda Prather
Collocation consumes as much of the library as you tell it to. When you set MAXSCRATCH on a storage pool, TSM will confine the pool to that number of tapes. If you have less tapes available than you have clients, you get a do the best you can collocation. There are plenty of sites who have more

Re: How to figure collocation overhead

2009-01-15 Thread Sam Rawlins
. On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Wanda Prather wanda.prat...@jasi.comwrote: Collocation consumes as much of the library as you tell it to. When you set MAXSCRATCH on a storage pool, TSM will confine the pool to that number of tapes. If you have less tapes available than you have clients

Re: Question about group collocation

2008-12-03 Thread Rainer Wolf
Hi Farren , you can have it all. If you set the stg to group-collocation and want a group or even a single node to be collocated then you set up the collocation groups with the number of members as needed. We only use group-collocation and if a single node should be collocated then we just define

Re: Question about group collocation

2008-12-02 Thread Sam Rawlins
Hi Farren, As per the Admin Guide Configuring and Managing Server Storage Chapter 10 Keeping a Client's Files Together Planning for and Enabling Collocation, located here: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/tivihelp/v1r1/topic/com.ibm.itsmcw.doc/anrwgd55330.htm#colplan you are correct

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