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2006-07-28 Thread dotnet.discuss.develop.com
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Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] VS2005 s#cks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2006-07-28 Thread Dean Cleaver
Ok - I've not made any significant changes to my base form for a while, other than adding a new button or tow, and thus some new virtual functions to be overridden. I try to never change the size of the form, as that can have effects, but then it need never be changed anyway really. -Origi

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] VS2005 s#cks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2006-07-28 Thread Sébastien Lorion
If we modify the base form in any significant way, the generated code in inherited forms or their resource files will often become corrupted and we have to correct the situation by hand. This can be a very time consuming and frustrating process. If the base form is left alone, then it will be fine

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] VS2005 s#cks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2006-07-28 Thread Barry Kelly
Sébastien Lorion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After losing my hairs one too many times, I really think composition > works better than inheritance. Inheritance sounds cool but our > experience is that it really sucks. Maybe the implementation is at fault? Visual Form Inheritance in Delphi has wo

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] VS2005 s#cks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2006-07-28 Thread Dean Cleaver
Janus GridEX is pretty good for it - I worked closely with them on the release of their Janus Suite to ensure it worked in inheritance situations, and they have done a really nice job of it. Dino -Original Message- From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] VS2005 s#cks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2006-07-28 Thread Dean Cleaver
Well, I've probably gone the worst way possible then - I visually inherit both UserControls and Forms. The visual inheritance on Forms is to maintain a consistent user interface, and for UserControls it allows code generated controls to be visually modified for aesthetic reasons. As I've mentio

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] VS2005 s#cks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2006-07-28 Thread Dean Cleaver
You shouldn't have to do that, because I don't. Those exceptions below I get occasionally too, and sometimes it's a control that's just not built for visual inheritance, like the Menus and Toolbars I think. -Original Message- From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics. [mailto:[EMAIL PRO

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] New FTP classes

2006-07-28 Thread Christopher Frazier
I'd say stick with what you have if it works. The new ftp classes are subclassed off of the associated web classes...as such I had a booger of a time getting them to work properly in a NAT environment. I don't remember what the exact exception was, but I do remember thinking "of *course* there is

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] VS2005 s#cks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2006-07-28 Thread Sébastien Lorion
After losing my hairs one too many times, I really think composition works better than inheritance. Inheritance sounds cool but our experience is that it really sucks. If you use a control (commercial or not) that does not behave well in inheritance scenarios, you are in for a lot of troubles. Dat

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] VS2005 s#cks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2006-07-28 Thread Franklin Gray
My old problem is easily re-creatable. 1) create a new winforms project. 2) add a menu on the form with an iteam 3) build 4) add another form that inherits the first form 5) add code to handle the click event of the menu item in the other form. 6) try to open the second form in design time You w

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] VS2005 s#cks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2006-07-28 Thread Julia Lerman
Okay, I have been through this hell myself and generally in my app I can solve it in one of three ways. It took me a long time and a lot of patience to come up with these crazy ways of making the problem go away. And it comes back sometimes, but I just do my magic incantations and I'm good to go ag

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] VS2005 s#cks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2006-07-28 Thread Franklin Gray
tried that and it didn't work. It still wouldn't let me go into design mode. What I was doing worked in vs2003 just fine. Message from Shawn Hempel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM received on 07/28/2006 03:11 PM 07/28/2006 03:11 PM Shawn Hempel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@DISCUSS.DEVELOP

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] VS2005 s#cks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2006-07-28 Thread Eames, Andrew
I have a pretty complicated base form and for the most part inheritance works pretty well for me. The worst thing I have come across is that some controls are deliberately designed so that you cannot modify them in the derived form - most notably the MenuStrip, ToolStrip and TableLayoutPanel.

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] VS2005 s#cks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2006-07-28 Thread Shawn Hempel
If I understand your issue correctly -- you don't /have/ to subscribe to inherited events like that. Microsoft recommends you just override the base class' event handlers. Very OOP friendly. :: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.windows.forms.control.onenter.aspx :: The *OnEnter*

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] VS2005 s#cks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2006-07-28 Thread Sébastien Lorion
We have opted to stay far away from Form inheritance and use exclusively UserControls instead. So far, it has proven tolerable. Besides, the model is much like ASP.NET so it makes it easier to design for both when there is such a need. Sébastien On 7/28/06, Franklin Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] VS2005 s#cks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2006-07-28 Thread Franklin Gray
Sorry all for my outburst. I've never had so much pain in going to the next version before except when moving from COM to dotnet and that was expected. At least then the IDE didn't have much problems. It really buggs me that I have to put events into my base form that I inherit from and catc

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] VS2005 s#cks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2006-07-28 Thread Sébastien Lorion
Humm, consider yourself lucky to not have worked with VS 2005 BETA 2. RTM is rock stable compared to it ! Btw, BETA 1 was mostly fine, so wtf happened between ? Sébastien On 7/28/06, Frans Bouma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.windowsforms.net/articles/debuggingwsod.aspx White

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] VS2005 s#cks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2006-07-28 Thread Frans Bouma
> http://www.windowsforms.net/articles/debuggingwsod.aspx White Screen of 'Darn' ??? :) haha :) To Franklin: yes it sucks. MS has released some patches, call PSS for the patches. Yes that sucks even more, we all ask MS year after year to release patches early, but that's not

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] VS2005 s#cks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2006-07-28 Thread Julia Lerman
http://www.windowsforms.net/articles/debuggingwsod.aspx http://www.apa.org/topics/controlanger.html?imw=Y -Original Message- From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Franklin Gray Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 1:05 PM To: ADVANCED-DOTNET@DISCUSS.DEVE

[ADVANCED-DOTNET] VS2005 s#cks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2006-07-28 Thread Franklin Gray
I've been working on trying to get ONE form to show in design mode FOR DAYS and each time I figure out something that this piece of sh1t software doesn't like and I make a workaround for it, I run into another one. I HATE VS2005!! I recomment to everybody who is using VS2003

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] MSMQ Return Messages

2006-07-28 Thread Paul Cowan
Hi Eddie >> you don't know how to receive a message asynchronously from a responsequeue. >> If this is your problem, keep in mind that response queues are justregular >> queues that are user created. You would retrieve the response withBeginPeek >> and BeginReceive. If you need sample code, I