Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services namespace best practices

2008-01-13 Thread Sébastien Lorion
If I was designing it, I would use /mm/dd instead. Sébastien On 1/11/08, Ron Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi all, > > Using WCF to define service/data contracts: > > [ServiceContract(Namespace = " > http://company.com/contracts/services/enrollment-core/01/11/2008";)] > interface IEnro

[ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services namespace best practices

2008-01-11 Thread Ron Young
Hi all, Using WCF to define service/data contracts: [ServiceContract(Namespace = "http://company.com/contracts/services/enrollment-core/01/11/2008";)] interface IEnrollmentCore { [OperationContract] GetSomeDataResponse GetSomeData(GetSomeDataRequest request); } [DataContract(Namespace = "h

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services Performance vs Direct SQL Server

2007-04-18 Thread gregory young
Generally one does not just use a webservice for data access. Generally one will treat the webservice as a facade and hide things such as business logic and caching behind it. There are many benefits to doing this such as deployment, reusability, security, and believe it or performance can also be

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services Performance vs Direct SQL Server

2007-04-18 Thread Efran Cobisi
Hi Shane, There is a third option to consider. Even if I am not a big fan of it, SQL Server 2005 allows for stored procedures to be exposed as web services, directly hosted by SQL Server via the http.sys functionality (the same used by IIS itself). It could sometimes provide the right trade-off w

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services Performance vs Direct SQL Server

2007-04-18 Thread Peter Vertes
I agree with Peter 100% on this. Currently I am working on a project that describes exactly what you wrote. I have a WinForm application accessing the database through a WebService. We've ran a couple of tests regarding data retrieval natively from WinForms and through the WebService and while

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services Performance vs Direct SQL Server

2007-04-17 Thread Peter Ritchie
Adding a web service intermediary between an application and SQL Server is always going to be slower. How much slower depends on how the web service was written, unless the web service does some sort of value-added processing (like being an entity broker or something) or caching. There's nothing

[ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services Performance vs Direct SQL Server

2007-04-17 Thread Shane Courtrille
Has anyone seen numbers on using a web service as an intermediary for your data access vs directly accessing SQL server? In an internet environment I think web services are a must in terms of security and just the basic act of connecting. Not many places are willing (or should) open the ports th

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services...

2007-03-14 Thread Davy J
Create your directory under IIS for your application then run the install from within the %SYSTEM%\Microsoft.Net\Framework\%VERSION%\ from the command promt run ASPNET_REGIIS -r Then retry, usually it's a badly configured server scripts that are the cause, if you have been able to run it in Dev

[ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services...

2007-02-10 Thread Bobby Heid
Hey, I started playing around with web services last night. I created a simple web service. If I run it, it starts up a dev version of IIS and it runs correctly. I even added a client to the solution and it consumed the web service fine. I also started IIS up on my machine and published it to IIS.

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services, DataSets and making use of XSDs...

2006-10-11 Thread Don Demsak
And if you control both ends of the wire (both are using .Net), why aren't you using Remoting. It is faster, and better, as long as you still don't send business objects over the wire. Here is a great thread on this exact topic (from the forums): http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?Po

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services, DataSets and making use of XSDs...

2006-10-11 Thread Shawn Wildermuth
m: Discussion of advanced .NET topics. > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Chris Wuestefeld > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 9:59 AM > To: ADVANCED-DOTNET@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM > Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services, DataSets and > making use of XSDs... > > Don:

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services, DataSets and making use of XSDs...

2006-10-11 Thread Michael Levy
@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services, DataSets and making use of XSDs... Don: > DATASETS over Web Service = Very Bad Shawn: > Don is EXACTLY correct Since this is the architecture of one of our most important apps (and it's working quite well), I'm interested in the

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services, DataSets and making use of XSDs...

2006-10-11 Thread Michael
AIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Seref Arikan Sent: 11 October 2006 16:19 To: ADVANCED-DOTNET@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services, DataSets and making use of XSDs... Hi Michael, I'd like to hear your comments about why you say: 'and the only thing worse i

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services, DataSets and making use of XSDs...

2006-10-11 Thread Chris Wuestefeld
FWIW, my experience is almost identical to Michael's. We've got a smart client for internal use only, and data is retrieved and submitted via web services and (frequently) DataSets. There is no effort (nor any desire) to work with any client other than .Net. In fact, we are using WSE to carry user

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services, DataSets and making use of XSDs...

2006-10-11 Thread Seref Arikan
to why you shouldn't use them between two .Net systems, I'd appreciate some pointers. Thanks --Michael -Original Message- From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Wuestefeld Sent: 11 October 2006 14:59 To: ADVANCED-DOTNET@DISCUSS.DEV

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services, DataSets and making use of XSDs...

2006-10-11 Thread Michael
vanced .NET topics. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Wuestefeld Sent: 11 October 2006 14:59 To: ADVANCED-DOTNET@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services, DataSets and making use of XSDs... Don: > DATASETS over Web Service = Very Bad Shawn: > Don is EXACT

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services, DataSets and making use of XSDs...

2006-10-11 Thread Seref Arikan
Hi there, Well, I can comment on this, based on my own experience. First and foremost, I do not consider web services as a .NET spesific technology. I use them a lot, usually for .net and j2ee integration, and when .net is on the server side, using datasets for exposing data over web services mean

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services, DataSets and making use of XSDs...

2006-10-11 Thread Paul van Brenk
, 2006 15:59 To: ADVANCED-DOTNET@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services, DataSets and making use of XSDs... Don: > DATASETS over Web Service = Very Bad Shawn: > Don is EXACTLY correct Since this is the architecture of one of our most important apps (and it's wo

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services, DataSets and making use of XSDs...

2006-10-11 Thread Chris Wuestefeld
Don: > DATASETS over Web Service = Very Bad Shawn: > Don is EXACTLY correct Since this is the architecture of one of our most important apps (and it's working quite well), I'm interested in the reasoning behind this. Does anyone have pointers to articles? === This

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services, DataSets and making use of XSDs...

2006-10-10 Thread Shawn Wildermuth
; From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics. > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Demsak > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 11:15 AM > To: ADVANCED-DOTNET@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM > Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services, DataSets and > making use of XSDs... > > Thanks Paul. I

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services, DataSets and making use of XSDs...

2006-10-10 Thread Cristian Sturek
http://www.xwebservices.com http://www.soahub.com -Original Message- From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Joyce Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 4:15 AM To: ADVANCED-DOTNET@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM Subject: SPAM-LOW: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services, DataSet

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services, DataSets and making use of XSDs...

2006-10-10 Thread Don Demsak
essage- From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Joyce Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 14:57 To: ADVANCED-DOTNET@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services, DataSets and making use of XSDs... Hi Paul. Thanks for your reply. I've l

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services, DataSets and making use of XSDs...

2006-10-10 Thread Paul van Brenk
That's the part you write. Paul -Original Message- From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Joyce Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 14:57 To: ADVANCED-DOTNET@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services, DataSets and makin

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services, DataSets and making use of XSDs...

2006-10-10 Thread Ben Joyce
OM Subject: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services, DataSets and making use of XSDs... Hi all. I'm just getting in to some XSD programming and could do with some advice. This is quite a lengthy email for which I apologise in advance. I've been asked to create a webservice with some methods,

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services, DataSets and making use of XSDs...

2006-10-10 Thread Paul van Brenk
will handle the conversion to and from xml for that class. Paul -Original Message- From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Joyce Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 13:15 To: ADVANCED-DOTNET@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM Subject: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web ser

[ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services, DataSets and making use of XSDs...

2006-10-10 Thread Ben Joyce
Hi all. I'm just getting in to some XSD programming and could do with some advice. This is quite a lengthy email for which I apologise in advance. I've been asked to create a webservice with some methods, one of which is to resturn some customer data. I am at the point where I would usually re

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services Book

2006-09-01 Thread Alex Smotritsky
opics. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Joyce Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 12:19 PM To: ADVANCED-DOTNET@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services Book Well I'm using 2005... hmm... I'll have a look around for a 2005-specific version, do you think much has chan

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services Book

2006-09-01 Thread Leon Finker
This may not be beginner level...But I recommend this one: NET Web Services: Architecture and Implementation with .NET http://www.amazon.com/NET-Web-Services-Architecture-Implementation/dp/0321113594/sr=1-37/qid=1157132285/ref=sr_1_37/102-6932440-1628139?ie=UTF8&s=books > On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:22:

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services Book

2006-09-01 Thread Cristian Sturek
l SOA Architect http://www.xwebservices.com http://www.soahub.com -Original Message- From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Joyce Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 9:19 AM To: ADVANCED-DOTNET@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] We

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services Book

2006-09-01 Thread gregory young
I would recommend supplementing a VS based book with something like "Service-Oriented Architecture" which gives a higher level view ... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0131858580?v=glance Cheers, Greg On 9/1/06, Ben Joyce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well I'm using 2005... hmm...

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services Book

2006-09-01 Thread Ben Joyce
Well I'm using 2005... hmm... I'll have a look around for a 2005-specific version, do you think much has changed? Ben On 9/1/06, Peter Ritchie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Do you want a book that covers VS2005 or VS2003? The book you referenced will be VS2003-based. There isn't much in the way

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services Book

2006-09-01 Thread Peter Ritchie
Do you want a book that covers VS2005 or VS2003? The book you referenced will be VS2003-based. There isn't much in the way of VS2005-based books on Web Services. The only book I've read on the topic is "MCAD/MCSD Self-Paced Training Kit: Developing XML Web Services and Server Components with Mic

[ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services Book

2006-09-01 Thread Ben Joyce
Hi. Can anyone recommend a good Web Services (.net) book, beginner level? I saw this one: oreilly.com -- Online Catalog: Programming .NET Web Services http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/prognetws/index.html?CMP=ILL-4GV796923290#details - 8< - Programming .NET Web Services By Alex Ferrara,

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services - Serialization & Opimizations

2006-07-18 Thread J. Merrill
Sigh. I wonder if there would be a way to "cut down" the web service so that it only implements the methods your code will actually call, instead of being a web service that supports a complete API. You did say that you "don't own" the web service. If you have a WSDL and you were to cut out l

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services - Serialization & Opimizations

2006-07-18 Thread Erick Thompson
uesday, July 18, 2006 12:32 PM > To: ADVANCED-DOTNET@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM > Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services - Serialization & > Opimizations > > I think the issue is mainly the scale of this web service. I > ran sgen to generate an XmlSerialization Dll with the

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services - Serialization & Opimizations

2006-07-18 Thread Wilson, Phil D
utes with children. > > >Phil Wilson > > >-Original Message- >From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics. >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilson, Phil >D >Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 1:44 PM >To: ADVANCED-DOTNET@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM >Subject: Re: [A

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services - Serialization & Opimizations

2006-07-14 Thread J. Merrill
>From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics. >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilson, Phil D >Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 1:44 PM >To: ADVANCED-DOTNET@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM >Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services - Serialization & >Opimizations > >G

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services - Serialization & Opimizations

2006-07-13 Thread Wilson, Phil D
dren. Phil Wilson -Original Message- From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilson, Phil D Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 1:44 PM To: ADVANCED-DOTNET@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services - Serialization & Opimization

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services - Serialization & Opimizations

2006-07-12 Thread Wilson, Phil D
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 12:49 AM To: ADVANCED-DOTNET@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services - Serialization & Opimizations You tried running sgen.exe against the types to pre-gen the serialization assembly? Regards Richard Blewett - DevelopMentor --

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services - Serialization & Opimizations

2006-07-12 Thread Richard Blewett
@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM Subject: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services - Serialization & Opimizations I'm connecting to a web service with a VS 2005 client. It takes a long time (nearly 3 minutes) before the code actually starts doing anything. At first I thought this was a JIT thing going on, but I t

[ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services - Serialization & Opimizations

2006-07-11 Thread Wilson, Phil D
I'm connecting to a web service with a VS 2005 client. It takes a long time (nearly 3 minutes) before the code actually starts doing anything. At first I thought this was a JIT thing going on, but I think that what's actually happening is that custom assemblies are being created to handle the seria

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services

2005-12-08 Thread Franklin Gray
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Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services

2005-12-08 Thread Pardee, Roy
- From: Discussion of advanced .NET topics. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Franklin Gray Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 1:20 PM To: ADVANCED-DOTNET@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM Subject: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services Can VB.net's web services run on Apache Web server? My company uses Apach

[ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services

2005-12-08 Thread Franklin Gray
Can VB.net's web services run on Apache Web server? My company uses Apache Web server but my group develops in VB.net. === This list is hosted by DevelopMentor® http://www.develop.com View archives and manage your subscription(s) at http://discuss.develop.com

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services & Threaded Client

2005-09-28 Thread Geoff Taylor
ed discussion of advanced .NET topics. [mailto:ADVANCED- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chip Dunning > Sent: 27 September 2005 17:14 > To: ADVANCED-DOTNET@DISCUSS.DEVELOP.COM > Subject: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services & Threaded Client > > We have a client (C#) that is multi

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services & Threaded Client

2005-09-27 Thread Allan N.
Hi, may I suggest this setting here : best regards Allan === This list is hosted by DevelopMentor® http://www.develop.com View archives and manage your subscription(s) at http://discuss.develop.com

[ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services & Threaded Client

2005-09-27 Thread Chip Dunning
We have a client (C#) that is multi-threaded working over my Web Services. However, WS calls made from other threads within that client just disappear into the ether. Looking over it using Etheral it shows no communication outbound. Even though the WS call in question is on a different thread - it

[ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services serialization performance

2005-03-08 Thread Ben Kloosterman
Hi all , I have been tracking down a bizarre issue with web services . Basically when I get 100 jobs from the server it will take 100 ms or so , when I get null or 1 job it takes 250 ms or so . The jobs are an array of a simple class. I have measured the performance between 0 and 100 jobs and

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services: web method call cannot be reflected

2004-12-21 Thread Matt Anderson
Bill, The problem may be related to the framework version that is handling ASP.NET requests on the web server. If ASP.NET 1.0 is handling requests for an assembly that is compiled against 1.1, I have seen similar problems. See the following MSDN article for more information: http://msdn.microsof

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services: web method call cannot be reflected

2004-12-21 Thread Bill Bassler
There are 2 assemblies required on the client side to process the call. The rest is behind the web service. One assembly defines all of the web service return datatypes and the other one implements DateTimeHelper and so on. AS I said the call actually succeeds in some environments. I've tested thi

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services: web method call cannot be reflected

2004-12-21 Thread J. Merrill
When you say "[t]he method in question" are you talking about the method that's being invoked by the web service call? If so, the DLL that's needed by that method needs to be available on the server side, not on the client side. Or am I confused by what method needs the DLL? At 07:57 AM 12/21/

[ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services: web method call cannot be reflected

2004-12-21 Thread Bill Bassler
I have a test harness WinForms app that uses Web Reference generated proxy classes to call some web services. The method in question uses an ancillary .dlls classes. This dll is deployed in the same folder as the WinForm exe. When I make the web service call as Admin through the harness on a W2K bo

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services and getting the proxy to use a custom type

2004-12-02 Thread Vivek Vaid
but not difficult or risky, and it means you can > > keep your object-oriented API clean and safe instead of compromising > it > > to meet the very different needs of the messaging. > > > > -- > > Ivan Towlson > > White Carbon > > > > > > -Original Message

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services and getting the proxy to use a custom type

2004-11-23 Thread Ben Kloosterman
the messaging. > > -- > Ivan Towlson > White Carbon > > > -Original Message- > From: Unmoderated discussion of advanced .NET topics. > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Pardee, Roy > Sent: 23 November 2004 16:45 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [ADVANCE

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services and getting the proxy to use a custom type

2004-11-23 Thread Kristoffer Sheather
Ivan Towlson Sent: Wednesday, 24 November 2004 4:32 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services and getting the proxy to use a custom type This could be done for input types but not for output types -- the object returned from the Web Service call will still be a BaseThingy

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services and getting the proxy to use a custom type

2004-11-23 Thread Ivan Towlson
ee, Roy Sent: 23 November 2004 16:45 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services and getting the proxy to use a custom type Would it make sense to have your own proxy objects derive from the vs.net (wsdl.exe?) generated proxies? === This list is

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services and getting the proxy to use a custom type

2004-11-23 Thread Pardee, Roy
PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services and getting the proxy to use a custom type Basically you should look at the proxy types as data transfer objects that represent the xml messages being passed between client and server. I would keep the proxy objects separate from your business

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services and getting the proxy to use a custom type

2004-11-22 Thread Kristoffer Sheather
Sent: Tuesday, 23 November 2004 12:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services and getting the proxy to use a custom type Hi all, I have a new project with 5 or 6 client programs and a server all communicating to a web server. All communication is within the company. What I

[ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services and getting the proxy to use a custom type

2004-11-22 Thread Ben Kloosterman
Hi all, I have a new project with 5 or 6 client programs and a server all communicating to a web server. All communication is within the company. What I am trying to do is to build a DLL with some basic data classes and some logic classes which all the clients share. Unfortunately when creati

[ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services and Transaction management ...

2004-08-10 Thread Chak
Hi, Any pointers to this will be helpful. Suppose i have a windows app which does the following in sequence :- 1) Calls FetchMethod-1 of WebService-1 which fetches data from DataBase-1 as XML-1 2) Calls UpdateMethod-2 of webservice2, with XML-1 as method parameter ,which updates DataBase-2 3) C

[ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services

2004-04-11 Thread Jyothish
Hi All. I am new to implementation of Webservices. I am trying to pass a structure which has an array of the same structure in it as a member variable e.g. struct Parent { child[] arrChild } child { string name; int age; child[] arrChild; } When I try to pass the structure Parent through t

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] SELECT * Was: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services, Remoting and Coupling

2004-02-20 Thread Tiseo, Paul
> From: Moderated discussion of advanced .NET topics. [mailto:ADVANCED- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Merrill > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 4:49 PM > > It is uncommon for an application (using current MS technologies) to be > able to handle changes to the columns returned by SELECT * wi

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] SELECT * Was: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services, Remoting and Coupling

2004-02-19 Thread J. Merrill
You're right -- if you need your applications to fully grok the updated schema, then the applications will need to change. My point was that it's quite possible to make many kinds of significant schema changes that end up having no impact at all on applications, provided that the applications a

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] SELECT * Was: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services, Remoting and Coupling

2004-02-19 Thread Tiseo, Paul
From: Moderated discussion of advanced .NET topics Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 12:29 PM > > A considerate DBA would not do that. She will either make Name > a computed column, or rename the underlying table and make a > view Candidate that has a Name column -- even if it also has > FirstName a

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] SELECT * Was: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services, Removing and Coupling

2004-02-19 Thread Tiseo, Paul
From: Moderated discussion of advanced .NET topics Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 7:42 PM > > > I prefer SELECT *, because I think the risks in that scenario > > is low, and made lower by proper application of other > > practices. > > Feel free to code however you want ;) We try to adhere to th

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] SELECT * Was: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services, Removing and Coupling

2004-02-18 Thread Marc Brooks
> In your particular example, it is a bad practice to have similar > column names across tables, especially any that have any chance > of being joined. Funny, that's exactly what you need to do when using the NATURAL JOIN[1] SQL statement :) [2] I agree, and I never do that, but sometimes you get

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] SELECT * Was: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services, Remoting and Coupling

2004-02-17 Thread J. Merrill
Inline At 10:13 AM 2/17/2004, Tiseo, Paul wrote (in part) >[snip] >Two problems with the whole post, though: > >A) The first is the restricted consideration of the impact of the use of >SELECT *, especially since you don't seem to contrast it with the risks of >SELECT [commalisted columns]. What i

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] SELECT * Was: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services, Remoting and Coupling

2004-02-17 Thread J. Merrill
At 01:35 PM 2/16/2004, Tiseo, Paul wrote (in part) >I don't have a real problem with views/sprocs that provide SELECT * like >some seem to have. Furthermore, I can think of many scenarios that will >cause views and/or sprocs to break based on some approach that makes a >developer/DBA formally stip

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] SELECT * Was: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services, Remoting and Coupling

2004-02-17 Thread Tiseo, Paul
From: Moderated discussion of advanced .NET topics Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 8:17 PM > > -- and the same line from above now fails... simply because the view used > a SELECT * Well, one last word from me. Feel free to add, but I think my own viewpoint doesn't need further explaining, so I'll

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] SELECT * Was: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services, Remoting and Coupling

2004-02-17 Thread Marc Brooks
> I don't have a real problem with views/sprocs that provide > SELECT * like some seem to have. How about this sequence of lovely things: -- DBA land CREATE TABLE Candidate ( Id INTEGER NOT NULL , Name CHAR(40) NOT NULL , DrivingPerk INTEGER ); CREATE TABLE Perks (

[ADVANCED-DOTNET] SELECT * Was: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services, Remoting and Coupling

2004-02-16 Thread Tiseo, Paul
From: Moderated discussion of advanced .NET topics. Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 12:43 PM > > > Only adding new tables, and making FK columns pointing > > to those tables NOT NULL, will cause a failure in > > un-modified code. Even if such columns are NOT NULL, > > if they have a default value -

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services, Remoting and Coupling

2004-02-16 Thread Marc Brooks
> an app that uses SELECT * or has INSERT statements without > a column list should not have been deployed, and they > deserve to fail. AMEN, BROTHER! Preach it! That's a serious hot button for me, can you tell? > Only adding new tables, and making FK columns pointing > to those tables

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services, Remoting and Coupling

2004-02-16 Thread J. Merrill
At 02:51 PM 2/13/2004, Jeff Varszegi wrote >J. Merrill wrote (in part): > >> One technique I've used successfully, but have not seen discussed here, is that of >> having >> application code that generates the code for stored procedures, triggers, and >> views. Sometimes, >> that code will be "co

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services, Remoting and Coupling

2004-02-13 Thread Jeff Varszegi
J. Merrill wrote (in part): > One technique I've used successfully, but have not seen discussed here, is that of > having > application code that generates the code for stored procedures, triggers, and views. > Sometimes, > that code will be "constant" -- but much of the time, it will vary base

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services, Remoting and Coupling

2004-02-13 Thread Frans Bouma
> Frans Bouma wrote: > > I see where you're heading to, that advising webservices as bad is > > wrong. :) > > Not quite. I'm saying that it's wrong to advise that webservices are > *always* bad. Sometimes they're bad. Sometimes they're not. Ok, however I thought I made an exception al

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services, Remoting and Coupling

2004-02-13 Thread J. Merrill
At 07:49 PM 2/12/2004, Jeff Varszegi wrote (in part) >I agree totally. And one completely-missed value of stored procedures is that they >provide a >layer of isolation from the raw database structure, allowing one to change the >structure without >breaking code. This applies to views, functions

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services, Remoting and Coupling

2004-02-13 Thread Steve Johnson
Griffiths, Ian wrote: > ...sharing types makes it hard for systems to evolve independently. > With web services, it is entirely unnecessary to share type information. I also overlooked this advantage of web services. If the need to evolve client and server independently is great, web services

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services, Remoting and Coupling

2004-02-13 Thread Griffiths, Ian
Ian Griffiths wrote: > > Evolving public APIs is hard. But web services certainly > > make it a lot easier, because there isn't that hard > > dependence on a specific assembly being available at > > both ends. Frans Bouma replied: > Erm... if the developer has written his webservice > referencing

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services, Remoting and Coupling

2004-02-13 Thread Griffiths, Ian
Andrew Hopper wrote: > we are working with an external developer who is > using Axis to consume some of our Web services. It's really a > shining example of interoperability. But guess what he does > on his side? Yep, he turns the XML into objects using Axis' > type-mapping features. But his types

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services, Remoting and Coupling

2004-02-13 Thread Griffiths, Ian
(I'm not going to respond to the SQL stuff - I think you know I already broadly agree, and you know I was just playing devil's advocate in order to draw the analogy.) Frans Bouma wrote: > I see where you're heading to, that advising webservices > as bad is wrong. :) Not quite. I'm saying that i

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services, Remoting and Coupling

2004-02-13 Thread Jeff Varszegi
I agree totally. And one completely-missed value of stored procedures is that they provide a layer of isolation from the raw database structure, allowing one to change the structure without breaking code. This applies to views, functions, etc. as well. Making a distributed partitioned view is

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services, Remoting and Coupling

2004-02-12 Thread james
> However there are positive sides to the stored procedure aspect > though but they have nothing to do with performance or security. They > have everything to do with how you look at things. If you think an RDBMS > should provide the first 'tier' in a system, which automatically implies > i

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services, Remoting and Coupling

2004-02-12 Thread Philip Nelson
> However there are positive sides to the stored procedure aspect > though but they have nothing to do with performance or security. They > have everything to do with how you look at things. If you think an RDBMS > should provide the first 'tier' in a system, which automatically implies > i

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services, Remoting and Coupling

2004-02-12 Thread Andrew Hopper
Quoth J. Merrill: > I'm not going to assert that I've fully thought this through, but couldn't your "shared > assembly" define an appropriate object class that has a constructor that accepts > XML? (It might also have a SetState method that resets the state completely from > XML, so you don't have

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services, Remoting and Coupling

2004-02-12 Thread J. Merrill
I'm not going to assert that I've fully thought this through, but couldn't your "shared assembly" define an appropriate object class that has a constructor that accepts XML? (It might also have a SetState method that resets the state completely from XML, so you don't have to build a new object

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services, Remoting and Coupling

2004-02-12 Thread Frans Bouma
> An analogy with web services vs. remoting just occurred to me > that I though might be close to your heart, Frans. > > For many applications, the database is the bottleneck. There > is no doubt that if you want the absolute best possible > performance you can get out of most databases (and c

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services, Remoting and Coupling (was: Microsoft's future plans for Component Services and ORM)

2004-02-12 Thread Frans Bouma
> > Ian Griffiths wrote: > > >.NET remoting requires both ends to share type information. This > > >entails a degree of coupling between your systems that is likely to > > >be highly undesirable. > > Frans Bouma replied: > > Everybody who has written a remoting setup knows that this is easi

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services, Remoting and Coupling

2004-02-11 Thread Andrew Hopper
(Copied in part from my blog at http://www.dotnetified.com) NOTE: Let me preface this by saying that "I want to believe." I really do want to learn the so-called "right way" to do things, but I do reserve the right to point out the emperor has no clothes if I feel it hampers my productivity... It

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services, Remoting and Coupling

2004-02-11 Thread Sami Vaaraniemi
Here's my favorite analogy. Out of all distribution technologies, HTTP- based web technology (and HTML) is the most successful one and dwarfs other much more elegant and efficient technologies such as Corba, DCOM, Java RMI, IBM MQ, MSMQ, RPC, .NET remoting etc. This is a bit surprising considering

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services, Remoting and Coupling

2004-02-11 Thread Griffiths, Ian
An analogy with web services vs. remoting just occurred to me that I though might be close to your heart, Frans. For many applications, the database is the bottleneck. There is no doubt that if you want the absolute best possible performance you can get out of most databases (and certainly out o

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services, Remoting and Coupling (was: Microsoft's future plans for Component Services and ORM)

2004-02-11 Thread Griffiths, Ian
> Ian Griffiths wrote: > >.NET remoting requires both ends to share type > > information. This entails a degree of coupling > > between your systems that is likely to be highly > > undesirable. Frans Bouma replied: > Everybody who has written a remoting setup knows that > this is easily circumve

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services & server side multithreading.

2003-08-18 Thread Bob Lynch
borting it? - Original Message - From: "Ned" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 4:12 AM Subject: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services & server side multithreading. > I am currently working on developing a web service that must use &

[ADVANCED-DOTNET] AW: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services & server side multithreading.

2003-08-18 Thread Dominick Baier
#x27;reillys website. greets dominick -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Moderated discussion of advanced .NET topics. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Ned Gesendet: Montag, 18. August 2003 10:12 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services & server side multithr

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services & server side multithreading.

2003-08-18 Thread Stoyan Damov
rom: Moderated discussion of advanced .NET topics. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ned Sent: 08/18/2003 11:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services & server side multithreading. I am currently working on developing a web service that must use multithreading to achieve

[ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services & server side multithreading.

2003-08-18 Thread Ned
I am currently working on developing a web service that must use multithreading to achieve the required functionality. Because web services are stateless I'm having a lot of difficulty keeping the auxillary thread alive on the server. When the client connects to the server a new object, serverObjec

[ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web Services Development Kit and remoting.

2002-08-28 Thread Kevin Burton
I was reading documentation on the WSDK and found that most of what it is trying to do is only available through Web Services (hence the name). My question is when/if WS-Security, WS-Attachments, DIME, etc. will be available for remoting? Anyone know? Anyone tried it yet? Kevin Burton You can re

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services authentication...

2002-08-21 Thread Jim Stanton
du/in-notes/rfc2616.txt Section 14.8 -Original Message- From: Moderated discussion of advanced .NET topics. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Alex Henderson Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 1:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services authentication... I have

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services authentication...

2002-08-21 Thread Chad Gross
Is the ISA Server set up to require SSL client certs? If that is the case the NetworkCredential class does not support it. Also, did you try the CredentialCache and add the NetworkCredential to it with the authtype that matches that which the ISA server requires? Just another thing to try. On

[ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services authentication...

2002-08-20 Thread Alex Henderson
I have a product developed in .Net (WinForm client + WebService server + a number of background Window services to support it) in which the client has worked fine behind various firewall configurations. Recently however we have come across something that has stopped us dead in our tracks within a

Re: [ADVANCED-DOTNET] Web services without the web?

2002-07-08 Thread Philip Nelson
--- "Chesnut, Casey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 2) a winForms client watches that directory for incoming > messsages/jobs and does the appropriate processing of that request It seems to do part of what I need to accomplish: read a soap message from and invoke the a method with the parameters fr

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