Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65

2017-05-01 Thread Jason McKemie
Any suggestions for jumper cable sources? On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Rick Harnish wrote: > Some things to know about LTE sectors. > >1. LTE doesn’t like sector overlap. >2. Use 65 degree sectors on 90 degree azimuth separation in an ABAB >frequency reuse pattern for best perfor

Re: [AFMUG] GIGE-APC Surge suppressors

2017-05-01 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Yeah, I like to see these Helps me to know where the design is susceptible to this type of stuff - although at some point it really just starts to feel like whack-a-mole: With enough energy, something is going to fry, and if you strengthen one part (or protect it better), then the energy is

Re: [AFMUG] GIGE-APC Surge suppressors

2017-05-01 Thread Mike Hammett
Some day they'll put SFP interfaces on our damn equipment. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "George Skorup" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 7:42:02 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG

Re: [AFMUG] GIGE-APC Surge suppressors

2017-05-01 Thread Lewis Bergman
Yea someday... two years ago. On Mon, May 1, 2017, 9:13 PM Brandon Yuchasz wrote: > I HATE storm season.. > > Some day Ill sell this company and when lightning roles in Ill sit under > the covered porch with the wife and watch the wind and rain calmly. Someday > but not this summer, > > > >

Re: [AFMUG] GIGE-APC Surge suppressors

2017-05-01 Thread Brandon Yuchasz
I HATE storm season.. Some day Ill sell this company and when lightning roles in Ill sit under the covered porch with the wife and watch the wind and rain calmly. Someday but not this summer, From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 7:42

Re: [AFMUG] Recommendation on TDR

2017-05-01 Thread Lewis Bergman
I don't see where they do true cable sweeping. You really need PIM rated cables and a calibration T. The bird uit is the cheapest I have found that fires a real cable sweep. I used it at IWCE. Very nice and a complete kit. On Mon, May 1, 2017, 7:10 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Someone recommended

Re: [AFMUG] GIGE-APC Surge suppressors

2017-05-01 Thread George Skorup
Bottom line, use MTC surge suppressors top and bottom and your life will be better.* *does not work in all cases, all gear will not be unharmed, remember to take your Pepto-Bismol during storm season On 5/1/2017 7:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: If I did some cherrypicking, I could get a decent te

Re: [AFMUG] Recommendation on TDR

2017-05-01 Thread Jaime Solorza
Someone recommended RFexplorer and Copperhead...Looking those up now On May 1, 2017 6:07 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: There are small portable Anritsu’s that are not so spendy. That is what I use up to 6 GHz. Over that I use a Marconi. Bird sure has a good name. *From:* Lewis Bergman *Sent:* Mo

Re: [AFMUG] Recommendation on TDR

2017-05-01 Thread Chuck McCown
There are small portable Anritsu’s that are not so spendy. That is what I use up to 6 GHz. Over that I use a Marconi. Bird sure has a good name. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 6:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Recommendation on TDR I had a 38 thousand dollar An

Re: [AFMUG] Recommendation on TDR

2017-05-01 Thread Jaime Solorza
The one that is 300kHz to 4.5GHz? On May 1, 2017 6:03 PM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote: > I had a 38 thousand dollar Anritsu but I am buying the small Bird model > SH-42S-TC for one of my techs to carry all the time. Does almost > everything my Anritsu will do, is easier to use, and faster. I think th

Re: [AFMUG] GIGE-APC Surge suppressors

2017-05-01 Thread Chuck McCown
If I did some cherrypicking, I could get a decent testimonial out of the text ;-) From: George Skorup Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 4:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GIGE-APC Surge suppressors Sorry to hijack, but semi related... We either had a really bad power surge or a very close

Re: [AFMUG] Recommendation on TDR

2017-05-01 Thread Lewis Bergman
I had a 38 thousand dollar Anritsu but I am buying the small Bird model SH-42S-TC for one of my techs to carry all the time. Does almost everything my Anritsu will do, is easier to use, and faster. I think the whole kit is only $3500. On Mon, May 1, 2017, 6:53 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Looking

[AFMUG] Recommendation on TDR

2017-05-01 Thread Jaime Solorza
Looking at buying a handheld RF line tester... Bird and Aniritsu are nice but kinda of pricey for few times I would needed. Ideas ? Lewis, what do you use?

Re: [AFMUG] Minden NV ISP looking for a buyer

2017-05-01 Thread Bruce Robertson
Even outside of that, the biggest thing I didn't like about BM was that there were "special" people who could sit closer to the burn. I feel that just because you helped build it, it's still a subversion of the ethos to treat those people as "special." But we're a bit off topic I suppose... O

Re: [AFMUG] ignitenet fiber fusion switches DC power

2017-05-01 Thread George Skorup
I did some similar tests with the Planet MGSW-28240F's we're using. I believe they have two independent isolated DC-DC converters inside. But one power switch controls both DC inputs, which drives me nuts. Either have two switches or no switches on the DC. WTF. On 5/1/2017 2:14 PM, Carl Peters

Re: [AFMUG] Minden NV ISP looking for a buyer

2017-05-01 Thread Robert Andrews
Except for the exclusive VIP camps where, although the sponsorship/commercialism isn't overt, there it a "annointedness" that is a complete subversion of the BM ethos, IMNSHO On 05/01/2017 03:43 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: I used to work with one of the guys who set up the core BM on-site netwo

Re: [AFMUG] GIGE-APC Surge suppressors

2017-05-01 Thread George Skorup
Sorry to hijack, but semi related... We either had a really bad power surge or a very close lightning strike at our NOC over the weekend. No visible signs of a direct strike to the tower. I'm leaning towards the power surge since other networked things in the office died, and our office telco/

Re: [AFMUG] Minden NV ISP looking for a buyer

2017-05-01 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 5/1/17 15:37, Bruce Robertson wrote: Sadly, I never got around to doing that when I owed Great Basin Internet. Unfortunately when I explored the possibility, I got a distinctly unwelcoming reception from the BM staff. They never explained why, and it kinda left a bad taste. That said, I've

Re: [AFMUG] Minden NV ISP looking for a buyer

2017-05-01 Thread Eric Kuhnke
I used to work with one of the guys who set up the core BM on-site network infrastructure last year. It's a pretty full featured metro area network in a box supporting public safety VoIP and other things. He spent something like 6 weeks on playa with the build team... As an ISP there might not be

Re: [AFMUG] Minden NV ISP looking for a buyer

2017-05-01 Thread Bruce Robertson
Sadly, I never got around to doing that when I owed Great Basin Internet. Unfortunately when I explored the possibility, I got a distinctly unwelcoming reception from the BM staff. They never explained why, and it kinda left a bad taste. That said, I've been to and enjoyed BM. And I'd sort

Re: [AFMUG] Minden NV ISP looking for a buyer

2017-05-01 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 5/1/17 15:31, Eric Kuhnke wrote: I know I saw this last year, but I've forgotten the name... Who is the WISP with the hilltop/mountaintop POP near Gerlach that does the upstream connectivity for Burning Man every year? High Desert Internet. They are also one of the few enlightened peering

Re: [AFMUG] Minden NV ISP looking for a buyer

2017-05-01 Thread Eric Kuhnke
I know I saw this last year, but I've forgotten the name... Who is the WISP with the hilltop/mountaintop POP near Gerlach that does the upstream connectivity for Burning Man every year? On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote: > Being in Nevada, I'm aware of all of those, lol... a

Re: [AFMUG] Minden NV ISP looking for a buyer

2017-05-01 Thread Bruce Robertson
Being in Nevada, I'm aware of all of those, lol... and so is the owner. :-) On 4/29/17 8:50 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Avantwireless LLC 112 N Curry St Carson City, NV 89703-4934 United States http://www.avantwireless.com/ HotSpot Broadband Inc. 9825 S Virginia St Reno, NV 89511-8990 United State

Re: [AFMUG] GIGE-APC Surge suppressors

2017-05-01 Thread Josh Luthman
RIP :( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 1, 2017 6:12 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > Probably not without a microscope. You would look for flux residue > between the pins of the RJ45 where they solder to the PCB. > > *From:* Josh

Re: [AFMUG] GIGE-APC Surge suppressors

2017-05-01 Thread Chuck McCown
Probably not without a microscope. You would look for flux residue between the pins of the RJ45 where they solder to the PCB. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 4:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GIGE-APC Surge suppressors Can we identify them ourselves?? Josh Luthma

Re: [AFMUG] GIGE-APC Surge suppressors

2017-05-01 Thread Josh Luthman
Can we identify them ourselves?? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 1, 2017 1:00 PM, "Jaime Solorza" wrote: > well you can flog yourself but then it gets weirdhave done stuff like > that back when I owned company and had emp

Re: [AFMUG] New AF5X with 48V POE

2017-05-01 Thread Josh Luthman
It was like the first shipment that couldn't do 48v. The rest can. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 1, 2017 4:48 PM, "Mathew Howard" wrote: > Nevermind... I see the pinout on the spec sheet. If you're using it, I > guess it w

Re: [AFMUG] New AF5X with 48V POE

2017-05-01 Thread Mathew Howard
Nevermind... I see the pinout on the spec sheet. If you're using it, I guess it works... but it's definitely not the same pinout as the stock PoE. On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > Yeah, it's basically just the really early ones that will only work on > 24v. As far as the pi

Re: [AFMUG] New AF5X with 48V POE

2017-05-01 Thread Mathew Howard
Yeah, it's basically just the really early ones that will only work on 24v. As far as the pinout goes, +1/2,4/5 & -7/8,3/6 is definitely the correct pinout... I've never tried another pinout, or heard of another pinout working but I wouldn't be terribly surprised if it does work. They'll certainly

Re: [AFMUG] New AF5X with 48V POE

2017-05-01 Thread Josh Baird
Any new-ish AF5X can take 48VDC [1]. [1] https://community.ubnt.com/topic/188588/af-x-poe-voltage-range-s On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Carl Peterson wrote: > I remember reading somewhere that the newer AF5Xs could be powered by 48V > as well as 24V but I can't seem to find that source anymor

[AFMUG] New AF5X with 48V POE

2017-05-01 Thread Carl Peterson
I remember reading somewhere that the newer AF5Xs could be powered by 48V as well as 24V but I can't seem to find that source anymore. I am also a little confused on the POE pinout. The Spec sheet says 1,2,4, 5 + and 3,6,7,8 - but we have Airfibers powered with TP-DCDC-4856G-VHP injectors that ar

Re: [AFMUG] ignitenet fiber fusion switches DC power

2017-05-01 Thread Carl Peterson
I tested per Chuck and hooked them up to an Eltek -48V system and I'm not seeing any stray voltage or unexpected behavior so I'm pretty sure they are isolated. On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > I'm using one with an Eltek -48v system, have

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?

2017-05-01 Thread Jon Bruce
SWG would probably have some On 5/1/2017 1:01 PM, George Skorup wrote: FYI, I heard today that the regular 450 APs are no longer available, at least in 5GHz. So be prepared. We lost some 450 and 450i APs over the nice stormy weekend. I hate my life.

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65

2017-05-01 Thread Rick Harnish
Some things to know about LTE sectors. 1. LTE doesn’t like sector overlap. 2. Use 65 degree sectors on 90 degree azimuth separation in an ABAB frequency reuse pattern for best performance. 20 MHz channels 3. If you must use 3 sectors, use 90 degree sectors on a 120 degree azimuth

[AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?

2017-05-01 Thread George Skorup
FYI, I heard today that the regular 450 APs are no longer available, at least in 5GHz. So be prepared. We lost some 450 and 450i APs over the nice stormy weekend. I hate my life.

Re: [AFMUG] GIGE-APC Surge suppressors

2017-05-01 Thread Jaime Solorza
well you can flog yourself but then it gets weirdhave done stuff like that back when I owned company and had employees... no big if Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Ultimately I should have been the one to notice th

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells 3.65

2017-05-01 Thread Rick Harnish
The UEs are slant Matt. Respectfully, -- Rick Harnish Director of WISP Markets Baicells Technologies North America, Inc. Mobile: (972) 922-1443 rick.harn...@baicells.com

Re: [AFMUG] GIGE-APC Surge suppressors

2017-05-01 Thread Chuck McCown
Ultimately I should have been the one to notice the problem From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 10:48 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GIGE-APC Surge suppressors Will this employee be flogged or asked to walk the plank? On May 1, 2017 10:22 AM, "Chuck McCown" wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] GIGE-APC Surge suppressors

2017-05-01 Thread Jaime Solorza
Will this employee be flogged or asked to walk the plank? On May 1, 2017 10:22 AM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > During a recent solder paste reorder, one of our people ordered a > different solder than we historically have been using. It requires a > different cleaning method than we normally use. >

Re: [AFMUG] ignitenet fiber fusion switches DC power

2017-05-01 Thread Jason McKemie
I'm using one with an Eltek -48v system, haven't seen any issues. On Monday, May 1, 2017, Carl Peterson wrote: > @DSJ, been there with this switch or in general? > > Is Caleb out there anywhere? I know he doesn't work for Ignite any more > but I'm sure he would know. > > On Mon, May 1, 2017 at

[AFMUG] GIGE-APC Surge suppressors

2017-05-01 Thread Chuck McCown
During a recent solder paste reorder, one of our people ordered a different solder than we historically have been using. It requires a different cleaning method than we normally use. We only recently noticed this when making some new product prototypes. So, for a relatively short amount of ti

Re: [AFMUG] ignitenet fiber fusion switches DC power

2017-05-01 Thread Carl Peterson
@DSJ, been there with this switch or in general? Is Caleb out there anywhere? I know he doesn't work for Ignite any more but I'm sure he would know. On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Dustin Jurman wrote: > Been there. > > > > DSJ > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *C

Re: [AFMUG] OT Pissed off PhD

2017-05-01 Thread Larry Smith
I love to hunt, and while I understand all the scientific principles and such, it is hard to sit in a deer stand and observe all the wonders of nature - how the trees die off in the fall and come back each spring, how many different types of grass there are, and yes the variety of animals and how t

Re: [AFMUG] OT Pissed off PhD

2017-05-01 Thread Jay Weekley
It's interesting to me that there isn't and never has been a society that didn't have a religion that I know of. I guess people are hard wired to believe in gods and deities. Chuck McCown wrote: Well, when a handful of guys are running for county commissioner, sheriff or county attorney, best

Re: [AFMUG] OT Pissed off PhD

2017-05-01 Thread Chuck McCown
Well, when a handful of guys are running for county commissioner, sheriff or county attorney, best to send a campaign donation to all of them. From: Simon Westlake Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 9:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pissed off PhD Hopefully the 'false idols' part is j

Re: [AFMUG] OT Pissed off PhD

2017-05-01 Thread Simon Westlake
Hopefully the 'false idols' part is just a suggestion On 5/1/2017 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: That’s why you do ‘em all. *From:* Simon Westlake *Sent:* Monday, May 01, 2017 9:12 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pissed off PhD Assuming you picked the right God to believe in.. On

Re: [AFMUG] OT Pissed off PhD

2017-05-01 Thread Chuck McCown
That’s why you do ‘em all. From: Simon Westlake Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 9:12 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pissed off PhD Assuming you picked the right God to believe in.. On 5/1/2017 8:55 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Right, no cost safe harbor. Kinda like filing a NASA re

Re: [AFMUG] OT Pissed off PhD

2017-05-01 Thread Simon Westlake
Assuming you picked the right God to believe in.. On 5/1/2017 8:55 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Right, no cost safe harbor. Kinda like filing a NASA report when you screwed up flying an airplane. Tell on yourself and escape legal trouble. -Original Message- From: Larry Smith Sent: Monday,

Re: [AFMUG] ignitenet fiber fusion switches DC power

2017-05-01 Thread Dustin Jurman
Been there. DSJ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 10:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ignitenet fiber fusion switches DC power Does anyone know if these support -48VDC? It doesn't look like - or + are referenced to ground, but be

Re: [AFMUG] ignitenet fiber fusion switches DC power

2017-05-01 Thread Chuck McCown
You can power it up on the lab bench making sure the case is insulated. Measure from each side of the power pins to the case. If you get a solid 48 from one side to the case, then that is the polarity. If it is a solid –48 from – input to the case it is a –48 radio. Ditto for the positive

[AFMUG] ignitenet fiber fusion switches DC power

2017-05-01 Thread Carl Peterson
Does anyone know if these support -48VDC? It doesn't look like - or + are referenced to ground, but before I blow something up or create a stupid issue down the road, I figured I'd ask.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Pissed off PhD

2017-05-01 Thread Chuck McCown
Right, no cost safe harbor. Kinda like filing a NASA report when you screwed up flying an airplane. Tell on yourself and escape legal trouble. -Original Message- From: Larry Smith Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 7:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Pissed off PhD Have to side

Re: [AFMUG] OT Pissed off PhD

2017-05-01 Thread Larry Smith
Have to side with Chuck here. Rather believe and be wrong, than not believe and be wrong... -- Larry Smith lesm...@ecsis.net On Sat April 29 2017 11:46, Chuck McCown wrote: > No, speaking about philosophy that probably cannot be confirmed with our > current knowledge. > > Cosmologists have a pro

Re: [AFMUG] OT Pissed off PhD

2017-05-01 Thread Jerry Head
Having seen two family member die of it...that "something" was probably the pancreatic cancer. :-) On 4/29/2017 11:46 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: No, speaking about philosophy that probably cannot be confirmed with our current knowledge. Cosmologists have a proof with respect to locality that does