Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread Steve Richfield via AGI
Just a passing thought on simulation, alien monitoring, etc. I have, and I suspect many of you have written code to recognize through programmed experimentation things like whether code is running in a debugging environment, whether certain CPU features are installed, etc. I suspect the same sort

Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies via AGI
Alan, with regards your absolute view on consciousness, I give you Solipsism as an alternative to your razor. Still, I appreciate you including the concept as relevant to DL-based AI. Rob From: Matt Mahoney via AGI Sent: Wednesday, 11 July 2018 7:58 PM To: AGI S

Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread Matt Mahoney via AGI
Consciousness is what thinking feels like. Thinking and feeling are the result of neurons firing. You love life and fear dying because it increases your expected number of offspring. Why is this so mysterious? -- Matt Mahoney -- Artificial General Intellige

Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread Alan Grimes
MP via AGI wrote: > Alan, what is it about prednet that makes you think it’s conscious? > What signs is it showing? What’s it doing that makes you think this? > > From what I see, it’s something that predicts the next video frame > from the one it has been presented. There’s an NN for representatio

Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread just camel via AGI
When you stop playing Super Mario after 12 hours straight ... do you know that you are now operating in a superset of Super Mario's reality or are you just a Super Mario with a weak sense of self? ;-) On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 6:50 PM Alan Grimes wrote: > > So what? > > That just means that there

Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies via AGI
Alan Given your prednet example; In a 2-layer network, if the camera recording the R0 update frame was turned away for the update, the prediction made prior to the frame update would obviously be incorrect. Would the machine know - without referring to benchmarked footage - that the camera-inpu

Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread Alan Grimes
just camel via AGI wrote: > > There are literally thousands of enlightened beings who will tell you > the same thing using different (maybe less technical) words. So what? That just means that there are thousands of people with a neurological abnormality that causes them to have a weak sense of

Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread just camel via AGI
I don't see how the nature of consciousness is relevant for the architecture of AGI. AGI is being developed within consciousness. Everything is/has consciousness ... even a brick. The more complexity a particular "system" allows for the more complex stuff consciousness can achieve/manifest. If you

Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread MP via AGI
Alan, what is it about prednet that makes you think it’s conscious? What signs is it showing? What’s it doing that makes you think this? From what I see, it’s something that predicts the next video frame from the one it has been presented. There’s an NN for representation but... that’s it. What

Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread just camel via AGI
Explaining the origin of this universe, its purpose, the big bang, birth, death, quantum physics (as a probability based "game engine") etc. becomes much simpler (and possible) once consciousness is your fundamental substrate and once our physical universe becomes a virtual machine evolved by consc

Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread just camel via AGI
Who said that I am the only one? I quoted the very owner of this list stating the same truth about non-local consciousness. I linked a 900 page book dealing with the subject in a very logical manner. There are literally thousands of enlightened beings who will tell you the same thing using differe

Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread Alan Grimes
Nanograte Knowledge Technologies via AGI wrote: > Look, I'm trying to follow the train of thought here with regards AGI. > It would be significant to AGI architecture if the contention was made > that first, existed consciousness, and then matter. It would probably > invert the life-cycle approache

Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies via AGI
Look, I'm trying to follow the train of thought here with regards AGI. It would be significant to AGI architecture if the contention was made that first, existed consciousness, and then matter. It would probably invert the life-cycle approaches we tend to follow in software development. But all

Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread Giacomo Spigler via AGI
And you are the only one to know the truth because...? On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 5:08 PM, just camel via AGI wrote: > So what really prevents us from discovering and interacting with "aliens" > (or rather individuated forms of consciousness) isn't a lack of technology > but a lack of mastery of o

Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread just camel via AGI
So what really prevents us from discovering and interacting with "aliens" (or rather individuated forms of consciousness) isn't a lack of technology but a lack of mastery of ourselves. The singular gateway to the entire universe is "inside" of us and not external. Once you operate outside of illuso

Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread just camel via AGI
In a nutshell: Consciousness came up with virtual 3D worlds as a way to enhance evolution of consciousness. Not-so-evolved consciousness follows and identifies with avatars (human beings) in order to learn fundamental lessons. (Just like children do when they play computer games.) By using human av

Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies via AGI
In a nutshell, are we saying that - first, there was consciousness? From: just camel via AGI Sent: Wednesday, 11 July 2018 2:48 PM To: agi@agi.topicbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox See, even not so narrow minded peo

Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread just camel via AGI
See, even not so narrow minded people from this very list understand that consciousness is non-local and more fundamental than body and brain ... http://multiverseaccordingtoben.blogspot.com/2015/03/paranormal-phenomena-nonlocal-mind-and.html Or Tom's book starting at page 113 ... https://books.

Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread Giacomo Spigler via AGI
I stopped reading at "your consciousness is capable of communicating with gazillions of other entities from outside this physical realm/plane anytime." G On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 10:51 AM, just camel via AGI wrote: > > Fermi's Paradox ... > > Once upon a time, a 10 year old child became addicte

Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread just camel via AGI
Fermi's Paradox ... Once upon a time, a 10 year old child became addicted to Super Mario Land. He played so much that he forgot that he was a child among millions of other children and kept asking himself "Where are all the other Marios? There must be many more Marios? I will call this Fermi's Par