[agi] Discussing hardware.

2019-02-03 Thread Alan Grimes
I'm going to declare ALL theoretical hardware discussion offtopic UNLESS you can provide a piece of code and specifiy what speedup you require in order for it to produce practical results over some readily available baseline. -- Please report bounces from this address to a...@numentics.com Powe

RE: [agi] The future of AGI

2019-02-03 Thread peter
Not all that coy or secretive… published a detailed whitepaper for our (aborted) token sale, dozens of articles and videos, and benchmark test published in various places including https://www.facebook.com/groups/RealAGI/ From: Linas Vepstas Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 8:17 PM To: AGI

Re: [agi] The future of AGI

2019-02-03 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies
Perhaps it's because, for its exponential complexity, agi defies theoretical science. If no executable, framework of computational intelligence exists, what's the use of being able to run at the speed of light? Many commentators here agreed (over time) how agi development requires a radically-d

Re: [agi] The future of AGI

2019-02-03 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies
Where is the 'Like' button when you need it? From: pe...@optimal.org Sent: Monday, 04 February 2019 1:28 AM To: 'AGI' Subject: RE: [agi] The future of AGI I’m not that pessimistic at all. Our own AGI project has made steady progress over the past 17 years in

Re: [agi] The future of AGI

2019-02-03 Thread Linas Vepstas
I have no clue what Peter is actually thinking because he's coy and secretive. But I'm not pessimistic. I'm just perplexed why no one ever seems to try the obvious things. Or why I can never seem to explain obvious things to anyone and have them understand it. I am quite certain that one can do b

Re: [agi] The future of AGI

2019-02-03 Thread Matt Mahoney
Copying a bit requires deleting the old value. So Landauer's limit applies. Reversible computing is free but really isn't useful for AGI. The brain is not a quantum computer. Training a neural network performs irreversible state changes. On Sun, Feb 3, 2019, 4:22 PM TimTyler On 2019-02-03 10:19:

RE: [agi] The future of AGI

2019-02-03 Thread peter
I’m not that pessimistic at all. Our own AGI project has made steady progress over the past 17 years in spite of only spending about $10 million – about 150 man-years of focused effort. We’ve managed to successfully commercialize an early version of our proto-AGI engine in a company that no

Re: [agi] The future of AGI

2019-02-03 Thread Stefan Reich via AGI
But there is this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limits_of_computation (Excluding quantum computation) On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 at 22:23, TimTyler wrote: > On 2019-02-03 10:19:AM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > > > The problem is power consumption. Mechanical adding machines are older > > than vacuum tubes an

Re: [agi] The future of AGI

2019-02-03 Thread Linas Vepstas
On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 3:22 PM TimTyler wrote: > > part of the interest in reversible computation. > FYI, in a certain sense, quantum is "reversible"; see "two state-vector formalism" for the tip of the iceberg. A lot (most? all?) quantum "paradoxes" have to do with the fact that it "seems like"

Re: [agi] The future of AGI

2019-02-03 Thread TimTyler
On 2019-02-03 10:19:AM, Matt Mahoney wrote: The problem is power consumption. Mechanical adding machines are older than vacuum tubes and would have very low power consumption if we could shrink them to molecular size. Copying bits in DNA, RNA, and protein costs less than a millionth as much

Re: [agi] The future of AGI

2019-02-03 Thread Matt Mahoney
The problem is power consumption. Mechanical adding machines are older than vacuum tubes and would have very low power consumption if we could shrink them to molecular size. Copying bits in DNA, RNA, and protein costs less than a millionth as much energy as copying bits in RAM. The human body tran