Re: [agi] openAI's AI advances and PR stunt...

2019-02-21 Thread Rob Freeman
On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 5:30 PM Linas Vepstas wrote: > ... > > The problem was that Chomsky shot it down because it resulted in > "inconsistent or incoherent ... analyses". This was big. It cracked > linguistics apart. Linguistics is divided by it to this day: > > > > Frederick J. Newmeyer, Gene

Re: [agi] Some thoughts about Symbols and Symbol Nets

2019-02-21 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies
If this were the case, I'd agree with you. What I'm proposing is content independent and context dependent. It is suitable for CAS applications. It is not "designed"to be constrained, but to identify and normalize a primary, contextual constraint in order to resolve it in an adaptive sense. Mean

Re: [agi] openAI's AI advances and PR stunt...

2019-02-21 Thread Linas Vepstas
I've got to write shorter emails. My apologies. I get started... On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 5:15 PM Rob Freeman wrote: > > By "formal incompleteness" I mean Goedel's proof that "every sufficiently > powerful formal system is either inconsistent or incomplete". > Oh. There are a variety of complete

[agi] For the ammusement of the Homunculus.

2019-02-21 Thread Alan Grimes
I'm not doing too well, had a few days of brain outage and poor sleep patterns, I'm a little better now. I'm not going to rehash the concept of the homunculus in the field of philosophy of mind here, (there is a different but related idea of a homunculus in neural science, not quite what I'm t

Re: [agi] Why are people afraid of robots? Past life memories.

2019-02-21 Thread Logan Streondj
Well Stefan, have you awakened to your higher self? I'm putting together a course to do it. Maybe I'll just like put up a marketing website, then make a course based on what people buy. Though the basic idea now is that it takes 30hrs of meditation over 3 months fully logged, with at least 20%

Re: [agi] Some thoughts about Symbols and Symbol Nets

2019-02-21 Thread Rob Freeman
Jim, I haven't been following this thread closely. But if you look at what we've been talking about in the OpenAI PR stunt thread, at one level I think it comes to much what you are talking about. My old vector parser demo linked in that thread does something like this. You can see it happen. The

Re: [agi] Some thoughts about Symbols and Symbol Nets

2019-02-21 Thread Jim Bromer
One more thing. I would not try to limit the meaning of a symbol within a context. I would like to be able to find the best meaning for the symbol or the best referential utilization for that symbol during interpretation or understanding, but this is not the same as trying to limit the meaning of s

Re: [agi] openAI's AI advances and PR stunt...

2019-02-21 Thread Rob Freeman
Linas, By "formal incompleteness" I mean Goedel's proof that "every sufficiently powerful formal system is either inconsistent or incomplete". I first paid attention to category theory as an alternative philosophical basis for mathematics in response to Goedel's incompleteness theorem. It is an a

Re: [agi] Some thoughts about Symbols and Symbol Nets

2019-02-21 Thread Jim Bromer
A contextual reference framework, designed to limit the meaning of a symbol to one meaning within a particular context, would only displace the ambiguity - unless the language was artificially designed to be that way. So called 'context-free' languages, ironically enough, do just that. They have so

Re: [agi] openAI's AI advances and PR stunt...

2019-02-21 Thread Linas Vepstas
On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 3:10 AM Rob Freeman wrote: > > couldn't resist. I do know the frustration > I say things that hurt peoples feelings. Usually as a side-effect. > actually scored a couple of home runs with me. > Thank you! > He has identified linearities in vector models as a key weak

Re: [agi] Some thoughts about Symbols and Symbol Nets

2019-02-21 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies
If one had a contextual reference framework, each symbol would always have one meaning within a particular context. Searches would always be optimal. An example of this is evidenced within the Japanese language. So, the 30+ years of waiting was for no good reason. If only the industry had develo

Re: [agi] Some thoughts about Symbols and Symbol Nets

2019-02-21 Thread Jim Bromer
I asked myself the question: If a theory of symbols was a feasible basis for stronger AI, then the earlier efforts in discrete AI or weighted reasoning should have show some promise. They should have worked. So why didn't they work? Then I remembered that they did work with small data sets. GOFAI d

Re: [agi] Why are people afraid of robots? Past life memories.

2019-02-21 Thread Stefan Reich via AGI
Yes. We are all waiting for the broad-scale human awakening to a higher self. Am Mi., 20. Feb. 2019 09:51 hat justcamel geschrieben: > I don't know about this. Controlling a fully repairable entity which is > basically immortal while still being a victim of ego and identification > seems to be a

Re: [agi] openAI's AI advances and PR stunt...

2019-02-21 Thread Rob Freeman
Robert, I'm afraid I haven't followed this list closely, so I don't know Prof Honeycutt or what your discussions might have been. To be fair, I don't think theoretical consensus comes easily. There are people reaching for one. Most recently we have had Geoff Hinton asking for a reboot and offeri