Re: [agi] How the Brain Represents Abstract Knowledge

2006-06-16 Thread Anneke Siemons
On 15/06/06, arnoud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 15 June 2006 21:35, Ben Goertzel wrote: If this doesn't seem to be the case, this is because of that some concepts are so abstract that they don't seem to be tied to perception anymore. It is obvious that they are (directly) tied

Re: [agi] How the Brain Represents Abstract Knowledge

2006-06-16 Thread Ben Goertzel
HI, So my guess is that focusing on the practical level for building an agi system is sufficient, and it's easier than focusing on very abstract levels. When you have a system that can e.g. play soccer, tie shoe lases, build fences, throw objects to hit other objects, walk through a terrain to

Re: [agi] How the Brain Represents Abstract Knowledge

2006-06-16 Thread Eric Baum
Ben: As for the prediction paradigm, it is true that any aspect of mental activity can be modeled as a prediction problem, but it doesn't follow that this is always the most useful perspective. arnoud I think it is, because all that needs to be done is achieve arnoud goals in the future. And

Re: [agi] How the Brain Represents Abstract Knowledge

2006-06-16 Thread Ben Goertzel
Eric Baum wrote: It is demonstrably untrue that the ability to predict the effects of any action, suffices to decide what actions one should take to reach one's goals. For example, given a specification of a Turing machine, one can predict its sequence of states if one feeds in any particular

Re: [agi] How the Brain Represents Abstract Knowledge

2006-06-16 Thread Mark Waser
Novamente is modular software-wise, but very far from modular cognition-wise This makes sense, particularly in light of your further explanation about the effects of replacing the PLN module with AnotherPI module, but I would think that it should be solvable by being thorough about tagging

Re: [agi] How the Brain Represents Abstract Knowledge

2006-06-16 Thread Eliezer S. Yudkowsky
Eric Baum wrote: It is demonstrably untrue that the ability to predict the effects of any action, suffices to decide what actions one should take to reach one's goals. For example, given a specification of a Turing machine, one can predict its sequence of states if one feeds in any particular

[agi] Metaphors of time and physical position

2006-06-16 Thread Ben Goertzel
This is more cog-sci than AGI oriented, but it's interesting... http://www.physorg.com/news69338070.html New analysis of the language and gesture of South America's indigenous Aymara people indicates they have a concept of time opposite to all the world's studied cultures -- so that the past

Re: [agi] How the Brain Represents Abstract Knowledge

2006-06-16 Thread Ben Goertzel
In Hawkins' HTM architecture it can be imagined that each node contains an action proposal system. And that actions (and goals) of a node are formulated in terms of the concepts that are present at that node, and then that those actions are pushed down the hierarchy were they cause more concrete

[agi] Inducing savant-like counting abilities with rTMS

2006-06-16 Thread Ben Goertzel
More cool stuff... -- Forwarded message -- From: Neil H. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Jun 16, 2006 5:22 PM Subject: Paper: Inducing savant-like counting abilities with rTMS To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (x-posted to extropy-chat) Back in 2003 there was a popular-press article on Allan

[agi] Robo Sapien.... Inducing savant-like counting abilities with rTMS

2006-06-16 Thread DGoe
The Science channel(193 Dishnetwork) has some shows that some of our AGI people might like. Sat: Incredible Robots-The Evolution of Robots. The brain processes Visual images. Galapagos: Beyond Darwin. Sun: Some Physics shows: Part of the Universe is Missing: String theory,