Re: [agi] Failure scenarios

2006-09-27 Thread Richard Loosemore
Ben Goertzel wrote: Hi Richard, I think you are precisely correct to say that one needs "a sufficiently and appropriately flexible KR format (which is then really more of a meta-format)" but I would object that when you go on to say that "a probabilistic weighted, labeled hypergraph [etc]..." i

Re: [agi] Failure scenarios

2006-09-27 Thread Ben Goertzel
I am writing up my paper for the AGIRI workshop proceedings this week, so I will postpone further details until I have that to point to. Great, I look forward to reading the write-up ;-) ben - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options

Re: [agi] Failure scenarios

2006-09-27 Thread Eric Baum
This discussion has been skirting very close to what I said in my AGIRI talk and book... evolution invested massive computation in getting the KR right. Yes,the KR is built for (3+1)-D and a lot more-- it's not just a list of facts, or some database where you enter logical statements that are then

[agi] Voodoo meta-learning and knowledge representations

2006-09-27 Thread William Pearson
I am interested in meta-learning voodoo, so I thought I would add my view on KR in this type of system. If you are interested in meta-learning the KR you have to ditch thinking about knowledge as the lowest level of changeable information in your system, and just think about changing state. Stat

Re: [agi] Voodoo meta-learning and knowledge representations

2006-09-27 Thread Richard Loosemore
William Pearson wrote: I am interested in meta-learning voodoo, so I thought I would add my view on KR in this type of system. If you are interested in meta-learning the KR you have to ditch thinking about knowledge as the lowest level of changeable information in your system, and just think ab

Re: [agi] Voodoo meta-learning and knowledge representations

2006-09-27 Thread William Pearson
On 27/09/06, Richard Loosemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: William Pearson wrote: > I am interested in meta-learning voodoo, so I thought I would add my > view on KR in this type of system. > > If you are interested in meta-learning the KR you have to ditch > thinking about knowledge as the lowest

Re: [agi] Failure scenarios

2006-09-27 Thread Ben Goertzel
Eric wrote: evolution invested massive computation in getting the KR right. Yes,the KR is built for (3+1)-D and a lot more-- it's not just a list of facts, or some database where you enter logical statements that are then processed by modus ponens or some such; it's procedures that can be invoked

Re: [agi] Failure scenarios

2006-09-27 Thread Richard Loosemore
Ben Goertzel wrote: Eric wrote: evolution invested massive computation in getting the KR right. Yes,the KR is built for (3+1)-D and a lot more-- it's not just a list of facts, or some database where you enter logical statements that are then processed by modus ponens or some such; it's procedur

Re: [agi] Failure scenarios

2006-09-27 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On Sep 26, 2006, at 5:04 AM, Ben Goertzel wrote: Speeding up this process using FPGA's is a possibility, hinted at by DeGaris's work using FPGA's to speed up GA evolution of NN's. However, right now this doesn't seem workable for the Novamente case because the Combo programs being learned inside

Re: [agi] Failure scenarios

2006-09-27 Thread Ben Goertzel
> I believe that to be adequate, the code language must incorporate > something loosely analogous to probabilistic logic (however > implemented) and something analogous to higher-order functions > (however implemented). I.e. it must be sensibly viewable as a > probabilistic logic based functional

Re: [agi] Voodoo meta-learning and knowledge representations

2006-09-27 Thread Russell Wallace
On 9/27/06, William Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You could test this by looking at the brain regions that people usewhen solving problems. If this changes on a person by person basis,then it is likely that some form of meta-learning of the sort I aminterested in occurs in humans. I vaguely

Re: [agi] Failure scenarios

2006-09-27 Thread Pei Wang
On 9/27/06, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I believe that to be adequate, the code language must incorporate > > something loosely analogous to probabilistic logic (however > > implemented) and something analogous to higher-order functions > > (however implemented). I.e. it must be

Re: [agi] Failure scenarios

2006-09-27 Thread Eric Baum
Ben-- I'm not sure what you mean by ``higher order functions" and ``probabilistic programming language", can you spell out please? I think it looks like really well written python code. Is there some difference with the above? My AGIRI Proceedings paper discusses this in more detail. Eric ---

Re: [agi] Failure scenarios

2006-09-27 Thread Ben Goertzel
I'm not sure what you mean by ``higher order functions" Functions that take functions as arguments -- I mean the term in the sense of functional programming languages like Haskell ... and ``probabilistic programming language", can you spell out please? I mean a language (or code library with