Re: [agi] Priors and indefinite probabilities

2007-02-15 Thread gts
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:03:41 -0500, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed, that is a cleaner and simpler argument than the various more concrete PI paradoxes... (wine/water, etc.) Yes. It seems to show convincingly that the PI cannot be consistently applied across the board, but

Re: [agi] Priors and indefinite probabilities

2007-02-15 Thread gts
LEADING TO THE ONLY THING REALLY INTERESTING ABOUT THIS DISCUSSION: What interests me is that the Principle of Indifference is taken for granted by so many people as a logical truth when in reality it is fraught with logical difficulties. Gillies (2000) makes an analogy between the

Re: [agi] Priors and indefinite probabilities

2007-02-15 Thread Ben Goertzel
gts wrote: LEADING TO THE ONLY THING REALLY INTERESTING ABOUT THIS DISCUSSION: What interests me is that the Principle of Indifference is taken for granted by so many people as a logical truth when in reality it is fraught with logical difficulties. I think it's been a pretty long time

Re: [agi] Enumeration of useful genetic biases for AGI

2007-02-15 Thread Ben Goertzel
-- Assume there will be persistent objects in the 3D space This is not innate. Babies don't recognize that when an object is hidden from view that it still exists. I'm extremely familiar with the literature on object permanence; and the truth seems to be that babies **do** have

Re: [agi] Priors and indefinite probabilities

2007-02-15 Thread gts
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:21:25 -0500, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's been a pretty long time since the PI was taken by any serious thinkers as a logical truth, though... Objective bayesianism stands or falls (vs subjective bayesianism) on this question of whether the PI is

Re: [agi] Priors and indefinite probabilities

2007-02-15 Thread gts
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:21:22 -0500, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I see it, science is about building **collective** subjective understandings among a group of rational individuals coping with a shared environment That is consistent with the views of de Finetti and other

Re: [agi] Priors and indefinite probabilities

2007-02-15 Thread gts
So none of this is very new ;-) No. :) Also your idea of collective subjective understandings sounds similar to something I read about an 'inter-subjective' interpretation of probability theory, which purports to stand somewhere between objective bayesianism and subjective bayesianism.