Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

To add to this discussion, I'd like to point out that many AI systems have been used and scientifically evaluated as *psychological* models, e.g. cognitive models. For instance, SOAR and ACT-R are among the many systems that have been used and evaluated this way. The goal of that sort of researc

Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

Ed, I wasn't trying to justify or promote a 'divide'. The two worlds must be better off in collaboration, surely? I merely point out that there are fundamental limits as to how computer science (CS) can inform/validate basic/physical science - (in an AGI context, brain science). Take the Baars

RE: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

Colin, >From a quick read, the gist of what your are saying seems to be that AGI is just "engineering", i.e., the study of what man can make and the properties thereof, whereas "science" relates to the eternal verities of reality. But the brain is not part of an eternal verity. It is the r

Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

Ben Goertzel wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Ed Porter > wrote: Ben, Thanks for the reply. It is a shame the brain science people aren't more interested in AGI. It seems to me there is a lot of potential for cross-fertil

Re: [agi] Relevance of SE in AGI

Ben Goertzel wrote: Well, we have attempted to use sound software engineering principles to architect the OpenCog framework, with a view toward making it usable for prototyping speculative AI ideas and ultimately building scalable, robust, mature AGI systems as well But, we are fairly confi

RE: [agi] Relevance of SE in AGI

I've been experimenting with extending OOP to potentially implement functionality that could make a particular AGI design easier to build. The problem with SE is that it brings along much baggage that can totally obscure AGI thinking. Many AGI people and AI people are automatic top of the l

Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Ed Porter wrote: > Ben, > > > > Thanks for the reply. > > > > It is a shame the brain science people aren't more interested in AGI. It > seems to me there is a lot of potential for cross-fertilization. > I don't think many of these folks have a principled or

RE: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

Ben, Thanks for the reply. It is a shame the brain science people aren't more interested in AGI. It seems to me there is a lot of potential for cross-fertilization. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:b...@goertzel.org] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 9

RE: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

Richard, Please describe some of the counterexamples, that you can easily come up with, that make a mockery of Tononi's conclusion. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Richard Loosemore [mailto:r...@lightlink.com] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:54 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: R

Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

Hi, > > > So if the researcher on this project have been learning some of your ideas, > and some of the better speculative thinking and neural simulations that have > been done in brains science --- either directly or indirectly --- it might > be incorrect to say that "there is no 'design for a th

Re: [agi] Relevance of SE in AGI

Well, we have attempted to use sound software engineering principles to architect the OpenCog framework, with a view toward making it usable for prototyping speculative AI ideas and ultimately building scalable, robust, mature AGI systems as well But, we are fairly confident of our overall archite

Re: [agi] Relevance of SE in AGI

Valentina Poletti wrote: I have a question for you AGIers.. from your experience as well as from your background, how relevant do you think software engineering is in developing AI software and, in particular AGI software? Just wondering.. does software verification as well as correctness provi

Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

Ed Porter wrote: I don’t think this AGI list should be so quick to dismiss a $4.9 million dollar grant to create an AGI. It will not necessarily be “vaporware.” I think we should view it as a good sign. Even if it is for a project that runs the risk, like many DARPA projects (like most sc

Re: [agi] SyNAPSE might not be a joke ---- was ---- Building a machine that can learn from experience

Ben Goertzel wrote: I know Dharmendra Mohdha a bit, and I've corresponded with Eugene Izhikevich who is Edelman's collaborator on large-scale brain simulations. I've read Tononi's stuff too. I think these are all smart people with deep understandings, and all in all this will be research m