Re: **SPAM** Re: [agi] Richard's four criteria and the Novamente Pet Brain

2008-04-27 Thread Mark Waser
Engineering should *NEVER* involve intuition. Engineering does not require exact answers as long as you have error bars but the second that you revert to intuition and guesses, it is *NOT* engineering anymore. Well, we may be using the word intuition differently. Given your examples, we

Re: **SPAM** Re: [agi] Richard's four criteria and the Novamente Pet Brain

2008-04-27 Thread Ben Goertzel
Rules of thumb are not intuition ... but applying them requires intuition... unlike applying rigorous methods... However even the most rigorous science requires rules of thumb (hence intuition) to do the problem set-up before the calculations start... ben On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Mark

Re: **SPAM** Re: [agi] Richard's four criteria and the Novamente Pet Brain

2008-04-27 Thread Mark Waser
I don't agree with Mark Waser that we can engineer the complexity out of intelligence. I agree with Richard Loosemore that intelligent systems are intrinsically complex systems in the Santa Fe Institute type sense I hate to do this but . . . . Richard's definition of complexity is *NOT* the

Re: **SPAM** Re: [agi] Richard's four criteria and the Novamente Pet Brain

2008-04-27 Thread Ben Goertzel
I said and repeat that we can engineer the complexity out of intelligence in the Richard Loosemore sense. I did not say and do not believe that we can engineer the complexity out of intelligence in the Santa Fe Institute sense. OK, gotcha... Yeah... IMO, complexity in the sense you ascribe

Re: **SPAM** Re: [agi] Richard's four criteria and the Novamente Pet Brain

2008-04-27 Thread Richard Loosemore
I just want to make one observation on this whole thread, since I have no time for anything else tonight. People are riding roughshod over the things that I have actually said. In some cases this involves making extrapolations to ideas that people THINK that I was saying, but which I have