Re: [agi] Artificial humor... P.S

2008-09-13 Thread Matt Mahoney
? main(){printf(Ah, now I understand!);} You need a precise test. That is what Turing did. -- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [agi] Artificial humor... P.S To: agi@v2.listbox.com

Re: [agi] Artificial humor... P.S

2008-09-12 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- On Thu, 9/11/08, Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To understand/realise is to be distinguished from (I would argue) to comprehend statements. How long are we going to go round and round with this? How do you know if a machine comprehends something? Turing explained why he ducked the

Re: [agi] Artificial humor... P.S

2008-09-12 Thread Mike Tintner
Matt, What are you being so tetchy about? The issue is what it takes for any agent, human or machine.to understand information . You give me an extremely complicated and ultimately weird test/paper, which presupposes that machines, humans and everyone else can only exhibit, and be tested

Re: [agi] Artificial humor... P.S

2008-09-12 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- On Fri, 9/12/08, Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt, What are you being so tetchy about? The issue is what it takes for any agent, human or machine.to understand information . How are you going to understand the issues behind programming a computer for human intelligence if

Re: [agi] Artificial humor... P.S

2008-09-12 Thread Mike Tintner
Matt: How are you going to understand the issues behind programming a computer for human intelligence if you have never programmed a computer? Matt, We simply have a big difference of opinion. I'm saying there is no way a computer [or agent, period] can understand language if it can't

Re: [agi] Artificial humor... P.S

2008-09-11 Thread Mike Tintner
Matt, To understand/realise is to be distinguished from (I would argue) to comprehend statements. The one is to be able to point to the real objects referred to. The other is merely to be able to offer or find an alternative or dictionary definition of the statements. A translation. Like the