Re: [agi] What is the smallest set of operations that can potentially define everything and how do you combine them ?

2010-07-15 Thread Mike Tintner
the smallest set of operations that can potentially define everything and how do you combine them ? I watched a brain experiment last night that proved that connections between major parts of the brain stop when you are asleep. They put electricity at different brain points, and it went everywhere

Re: [agi] What is the smallest set of operations that can potentially define everything and how do you combine them ?

2010-07-14 Thread Robert Picone
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Michael Swan wrote: > > > > > > > I'd argue that mathematical operations are unnecesary, > > we don't even have integer support inbuilt. > I'd disagree. ">" is a mathematical operation, and in combination can > become an enormous number of concepts. > > Sure, I t

Re: [agi] What is the smallest set of operations that can potentially define everything and how do you combine them ?

2010-07-14 Thread Michael Swan
> > > I'd argue that mathematical operations are unnecesary, > we don't even have integer support inbuilt. I'd disagree. ">" is a mathematical operation, and in combination can become an enormous number of concepts. Sure, I think the brain is more sensibly understood in a "programattical" sens

Re: [agi] What is the smallest set of operations that can potentially define everything and how do you combine them ?

2010-07-14 Thread Michael Swan
I watched a brain experiment last night that proved that connections between major parts of the brain stop when you are asleep. They put electricity at different brain points, and it went everywhere when the person was a awake, and dissipated when they were asleep. On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 02:13 +

Re: [agi] What is the smallest set of operations that can potentially define everything and how do you combine them ?

2010-07-14 Thread Michael Swan
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 01:37 +0100, Mike Tintner wrote: > Michael :The brains "slow and unreliable" methods I think are the price paid > for > generality and innately unreliable hardware > > Yes to one - nice to see an AGI-er finally starting to join up the dots, > instead of simply dismissing t

Re: [agi] What is the smallest set of operations that can potentially define everything and how do you combine them ?

2010-07-14 Thread Robert Picone
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Michael Swan wrote: > On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 07:48 -0700, Matt Mahoney wrote: > > Actually, Fibonacci numbers can be computed without loops or recursion. > > > > int fib(int x) { > > return round(pow((1+sqrt(5))/2, x)/sqrt(5)); > > } > ;) I know. I was wondering i

Re: [agi] What is the smallest set of operations that can potentially define everything and how do you combine them ?

2010-07-14 Thread Michael Swan
puting power > The human brain has a lot of > knowledge. The calculator has less knowledge, but makes up for it in speed > and > memory. > > -- Matt Mahoney, matmaho...@yahoo.com > > > > - Original Message ---- > From: Michael Swan > To: agi >

Re: [agi] What is the smallest set of operations that can potentially define everything and how do you combine them ?

2010-07-14 Thread Mike Tintner
A demonstration of global connectedness is - associate with an " O " I get: number, sun, dish, disk, ball, letter, mouth, two fingers, "oh", circle, wheel, wire coil, outline, station on metro, hole, Kenneth Noland painting, ring, coin, roundabout connecting among other things - language

Re: [agi] What is the smallest set of operations that can potentially define everything and how do you combine them ?

2010-07-14 Thread Mike Tintner
Michael :The brains "slow and unreliable" methods I think are the price paid for generality and innately unreliable hardware Yes to one - nice to see an AGI-er finally starting to join up the dots, instead of simply dismissing the brain's massive difficulties in maintaining a train of thought.

Re: [agi] What is the smallest set of operations that can potentially define everything and how do you combine them ?

2010-07-14 Thread Matt Mahoney
ichael Swan To: agi Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 7:53:33 PM Subject: Re: [agi] What is the smallest set of operations that can potentially define everything and how do you combine them ? On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 07:48 -0700, Matt Mahoney wrote: > Actually, Fibonacci numbers can be computed wi

Re: [agi] What is the smallest set of operations that can potentially define everything and how do you combine them ?

2010-07-14 Thread Michael Swan
her > > operations > > with extremely few limited steps, and nothing remotely like the routine > > millions to billions of current computers. It must therefore work v. > > fundamentally differently. > > > > Are you saying anything significantly different

Re: [agi] What is the smallest set of operations that can potentially define everything and how do you combine them ?

2010-07-14 Thread Matt Mahoney
0 12:18:40 AM Subject: Re: [agi] What is the smallest set of operations that can potentially define everything and how do you combine them ? Brain loops: Premise: Biological brain code does not contain looping constructs, or the ability to creating looping code, (due to the fact they are

Re: [agi] What is the smallest set of operations that can potentially define everything and how do you combine them ?

2010-07-13 Thread Michael Swan
mentally differently. > > Are you saying anything significantly different to that? > > -- > From: "Michael Swan" > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 1:34 AM > To: "agi" > Subject: Re: [agi] What is the smallest set of op

Re: [agi] What is the smallest set of operations that can potentially define everything and how do you combine them ?

2010-07-13 Thread Mike Tintner
fundamentally differently. Are you saying anything significantly different to that? -- From: "Michael Swan" Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 1:34 AM To: "agi" Subject: Re: [agi] What is the smallest set of operations that can pot

Re: [agi] What is the smallest set of operations that can potentially define everything and how do you combine them ?

2010-07-13 Thread Michael Swan
On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 07:00 -0400, Ben Goertzel wrote: > Well, if you want a simple but complete operator set, you can go with > > -- Schonfinkel combinator plus two parentheses > I'll check this out soon. > or > > -- S and K combinator plus two parentheses > > and I suppose you could add > >

Re: [agi] What is the smallest set of operations that can potentially define everything and how do you combine them ?

2010-07-13 Thread Ben Goertzel
Well, if you want a simple but complete operator set, you can go with -- Schonfinkel combinator plus two parentheses or -- S and K combinator plus two parentheses and I suppose you could add -- input -- output -- forget statements to this, but I'm not sure what this gets you... Actually, add

[agi] What is the smallest set of operations that can potentially define everything and how do you combine them ?

2010-07-12 Thread Michael Swan
Hi, I'm interested in combining the simplest, "most derivable" operations ( eg operations that cannot be defined by other operations) for creating seed AGI's. The simplest operations combined in a multitude ways can form extremely complex patterns, but the underlying logic may be simple. I wonde