Another way of putting my question/ point is that a picture (or map) of your
face is surely a more efficient, informational way to store your face than
any set of symbols - especially if a doctor wants to do plastic surgery on
it, or someone wants to use it for any design purpose whatsoever?
Another way of putting my question/ point is that a picture (or map) of
your face is surely a more efficient, informational way to store your face
than any set of symbols - especially if a doctor wants to do plastic
surgery on it, or someone wants to use it for any design purpose
whatsoever?
On 10/20/07, Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Images are *not* an efficient way to store data. Unless they are
> three-dimensional images, they lack data. Normally, they include a lot of
> unnecessary or redundant data. It is very, very rare that a computer stores
> any but the smallest i
FWIW:
A few years (decades?) ago some researchers took PET scans of people who
were imagining a rectangle rotating (in 3-space, as I remember). They
naturally didn't get much detail, but what they got was consistent with
people applying a rotation algorithm within the visual cortex. This
mat
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FWIW:
A few years (decades?) ago some researchers took PET scans of people who
were imagining a rectangle rotating (in 3-space, as I remember). They
naturally d
MW: Images are *not* an efficient way to store data. Unless they are
three-dimensional images, they lack data. Normally, they include a lot of
unnecessary or redundant data. It is very, very rare that a computer
stores any but the smallest image without compressing it. And remember,
an im
CH: Anyway there's low resolution, possibly unconfirmed, evidence that when
we visualize images, we generate a cell activation pattern within the
visual cortex that has an activation boundary approximating in shape the
object being visualized. (This doesn't say anything about how the
information
Some semi-organized responses to points raised in this thread...
1) About spatial maps...
It seems to be the case that the brain uses spatial maps a lot, which
abstract
considerably from the "territory" they represent
Similarly in Novamente we have a spatial map data structure which has an
adjus
efficiencies of
mathematics we often don't stop to appreciate.
Ed Porter
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From: Benjamin Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 8:49 AM
To: agi@v2.listbox.com
Subject: Re: [agi] Human memory and number of synapses.. P.S.
Some semi-orga
On 10/21/07, Edward W. Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Ben,
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> Good Post
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> I my mind the ability to map each of N things into a model of a space is a
> very valuable thing. It lets us represent all of the N^2 spatial
> relationships between those N things based on just N mappings
http://www.mail-archive.com/agi@v2.listbox.com/msg08026.html
is where Ben Goertzel wrote stimuli evoking AGI list response.
> Some semi-organized responses to points raised in this thread...
> [...]
> Furthermore, it seems to be the case that
> the brain stores a lot of detail about some
> thing
Benjamin,
It's interesting that you mentioned this right now. My discussion with
Edward in parallel thread effectively led to this issue. Basically, it's
useful to be able to find regularities between arbitrary pair of concepts
(say, A and B) that system supports (as kind of domain-independence).
the notion that the
information in the human brain contained only 10^9 bits was bombastic
enough.
Ed Porter
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From: Vladimir Nesov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 11:34 AM
To: agi@v2.listbox.com
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Ben:Furthermore, it seems to be the case that the brain stores a lot of detail
about some
things that it sees -- and much less about others.
For instance, it's famous that when observing a visual scene, a person can
generally
remember only around 7 visual facts about it. Trained observers can
On 10/21/07, Edward W. Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Vladimir,
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> Yes, if a concept is defined by its associations, and if a significant
> subset of them somewhat distinguish a concept, it would seem only natural
> that links between associations of nodes A and node could help the two
uman memory and number of synapses.. P.S.
On 10/21/07, Edward W. Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Vladimir,
Yes, if a concept is defined by its associations, and if a significant
subset of them somewhat distinguish a concept, it would seem only natural
that links between associations
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> *From:* Vladimir Nesov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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r 21, 2007 8:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [agi] Human memory and number of synapses.. P.S.
Edward,
Did you read Izhikevich's papers (specifically, [1])? They explore the
model of polychronization, where cell assemblies are formed in different
ways depending on temporal shifts of f
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