Re: Re: [agi] Language acquisition in humans: How bound up is it with tonal pattern recognition...?

2006-12-02 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think that our propensity for music is pretty damn simple: it's a > > side-effect of the general skill-learning machinery that makes us memetic > > substrates. Tunes are trajectories in n-space as are the series of motor > > signals involved in wa

Re: Re: Re: [agi] Language acquisition in humans: How bound up is it with tonal pattern recognition...?

2006-12-02 Thread Ben Goertzel
Yes, Mithen's theory has more complexity than I described. I was not trying to fully summarize his theory; perhaps I will later, but I don't have time at the moment... Just as the blind may use the spatial-conceptualization abilities of the visual cortex to aid in their thinking -- even if they

Re: [agi] Language acquisition in humans: How bound up is it with tonal pattern recognition...?

2006-12-02 Thread J. Storrs Hall, PhD.
Yes, indeed, the facility with which we can learn languages expressed by hand motions (and the fact that control of language and fine motor control for the hands is intimately bound up in the brain) is one of the reasons that I think that language and imitating manual skills are strongly related

Re: Re: [agi] Language acquisition in humans: How bound up is it with tonal pattern recognition...?

2006-12-02 Thread William Pearson
On 02/12/06, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think that our propensity for music is pretty damn simple: it's a > side-effect of the general skill-learning machinery that makes us memetic > substrates. Tunes are trajectories in n-space as are the series of motor > signals involved in w

Re: Re: [agi] Language acquisition in humans: How bound up is it with tonal pattern recognition...?

2006-12-02 Thread Ben Goertzel
I think that our propensity for music is pretty damn simple: it's a side-effect of the general skill-learning machinery that makes us memetic substrates. Tunes are trajectories in n-space as are the series of motor signals involved in walking, throwing, hitting, cracking nuts, chipping stones, etc

Re: [agi] Language acquisition in humans: How bound up is it with tonal pattern recognition...?

2006-12-02 Thread J. Storrs Hall, PhD.
On Saturday 02 December 2006 10:18, Ben Goertzel wrote: > There is not much directly useful for AGI in either Mithen's book or > my blog entry, but, there is evidence discussed that humanlike > language acquisition may be closely tied to human embodiment (due to > its being bound up with tonal-pat