BUS: CoE: [Treasuror] Weekly Report (revision 2)

CoE: I created a stamp as well, which isn't in the table (but is in the transaction log). On 2017-10-31 17:48, Owen Jacobson wrote: On Oct 30, 2017, at 11:25 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: I publish the following as a revision of the Treasuror’s report: Treasuror's Weekly Report Balances:

BUS: [Treasuror] Passive Income

Actually, on further consideration, this is a good idea. The following, between curly braces, is a notice of honour: { V.J Rada to gain a karma, for suggesting that I fix these distributions. P.S.S. to lose karma, for having the biggest piece of the pie. } In summary, I am about

BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Weekly Report

CoE: I gave the Occult Hand one of my stamps. If I am able to, I pay Agora a number of shiny to make a stamp for October, provided that the stamp costs less than 21 Shinies. (I think I haven't made a stamp for October, but I could be wrong) 天火狐 On 30 October 2017 at 23:07, Owen Jacobson wrote:

BUS: [Treasuror] Passive Income

> On Oct 30, 2017, at 11:07 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > Wed, 25 Oct 2017 02:18:37 ? Aris paid Agora 1 sh. The players with the fewest shinies are Gaelan and ProofTechnique, with 8 sh. each. I cause Agora to distribute 1 sh. (50% of this payment, rounded up) to Gaelan. > Wed, 25 Oct 2017 03:2

Re: BUS: JA;tC

> On Oct 30, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > I intend to destroy JA:tC with 2 Agora Consent, on the basis that it has been > judged INEFFECTIVE. > > -Aris I support. At least one of these intents will succeed, right? -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

BUS: [Proposal] Make Deregistration Less Stupid

I won't be looking to use this immediately since it looks like zombies are becoming a thing, but if you want proper procedure for deregistering in future let's try this? I create the following proposal and use an Action Point to flip its Imminence switch to pending: Title: Deregistration Fix

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's Try This Again

Oh that reminds me. I become uncommitted on the Referee and Agronomist elections. On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 12:55 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > You have, but my agronomist propoisal does not work, so I reccommend > voting AGAINST it. > > On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Telnaior wrote: >> I vote: >> >> FO

Re: BUS: Judgments of CFJs 3587 & 3588

I support. On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > On Oct 30, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > > Consequently, I find that the correct way to interpret this contract is > simply that it does nothing. Accordingly, CFJ 3587 is FALSE and CFJ 3588 is > TRUE. > > > I intend,

Re: BUS: Judgments of CFJs 3587 & 3588

> On Oct 30, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > > Consequently, I find that the correct way to interpret this contract is > simply that it does nothing. Accordingly, CFJ 3587 is FALSE and CFJ 3588 is > TRUE. I intend, with Agoran Consent, to destroy the contract “Judicial Activism: The C

BUS: Let's Try This Again

I vote: FOR 7931 FOR 7932 (this is way cooler than a victory election) FOR 7933 AGAINST 7934 (why are we turning into a literature club I'm awful at poems) FOR 7935 (but you might want to make the revision limit switch secured) FOR 7936 FOR 7937 (though every other week might be better still) FOR

BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of 7931-7953

I vote as follows, retracting any prior votes I may have placed on the identified proposals: > ID Author(s) AI TitlePender Pend fee > --- > 7932* ATMunn, [1]1.0 A Reward for Obedi

BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Agronomist Election Agoran Decision Initiation and Campaign Proposal Distribution

For the office of Agronomist, I vote for myself, followed, by V.J Rada. For the campaign proposals, I vote as follows: > // > > ID: 7932 > Title: Agronomist-Surveyor Combination AGAINST. > /

BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Surveyor Election Campaign Proposal Distribution

> On Oct 29, 2017, at 9:55 PM, ATMunn wrote: > > As the nomination period of the Surveyor election is over, and there > was only one candidate, o, the election is uncontested. > > Since e did submit a campaign proposal, I hereby distribute the below > campaign proposal, initiating the Agoran De

BUS: Re: OFF: test official post no actions here really

> On Oct 29, 2017, at 8:54 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > (trust me) I issue G. a trust token. -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7931-7947

On 10/30/2017 8:54 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: I vote as follows: 7932* ATMunn, [1]1.0 A Reward for Obedience v5ATMunn 1 AP AGAINST. “In the 7 days of an Agoran month” is nonsense. With the obvious fix, I’d likely vote for it: it’s a neat mechanic and ties in nicely with others.

Re: BUS: [Notary] Unofficial Kudos

I also change my mood to Joyous because of the success of the Order of the Occult Hand. On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > As Notary, I am delighted by the success of the Order of the Occult Hand. > This has a ton of potential, and The Honourable Fox has done an admirable

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7931-7947

I change my vote to FOR on proposal 7932. On 10/30/2017 09:03 PM, VJ Rada wrote: >> AGAINST. “In the 7 days of an Agoran month” is nonsense. With the obvious >> fix, I’d likely vote for it: it’s a neat mechanic and ties in nicely with >> others. > I think this has been fixed and distributed in a

BUS: [Notary] Unofficial Kudos

As Notary, I am delighted by the success of the Order of the Occult Hand. This has a ton of potential, and The Honourable Fox has done an admirable job of keeping things moving. There is absolutely no substitute for an enthusiastically-run example to help the adoption of a new system. As such:

BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Rulekeepor Election Agoran Decision

> On Oct 28, 2017, at 10:42 AM, ATMunn wrote: > > As per my duties as ADoP, I hereby initiate the Agoran Decision to select the > winner of the Rulekeepor election. > > For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the valid options are > the candidates, and the voting method is inst

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7931-7947

I change my vote on proposal 7932 to AGAINST. On 10/30/2017 08:54 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > I vote as follows: > >> ID Author(s) AI TitlePender Pend fee >> --- >> 7931* G.

BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7931-7947

I vote as follows: > ID Author(s) AI TitlePender Pend fee > --- > 7931* G. 3.0 Registration fix finally G. 1 sh. FOR. > 7932* ATMunn, [1]1.0 A Reward f

Re: BUS: [Secretary] Basic income distribution revision 2 (attn ais523)

Oh that's an obligation! Technically you missed making payments in a timely way for a large variety of payments. However, due to your good-faith attempt to make the payments in a timely way, I issue you a Green Card. On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 11:31 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > To close the loop on th

Re: BUS: [Secretary] Basic income distribution revision 2 (attn ais523)

To close the loop on this, per CFJ 3583, ais523 was _not_ a player at this time. Therefore, I believe that the following payments from the below-quoted message succeeded: > On Oct 25, 2017, at 2:14 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > > # Recipient Gaelan PT[1] (registration order, earliest-to-l

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Weekly Report (revision 1)

Oh yeah, that reminds me, I intended to destroy my pledge a while ago, and never did. I destroy my pledge. On 10/30/2017 4:18 PM, VJ Rada wrote: I destroy each of my own pledges except for the one which begins "I pledge not to make thread titles". Obviously any pledges I have made since my inte

BUS: Reward

I claim a reward of 5 shinies for my recent ADoP report.

Re: BUS: [Notary] Regulation Recommendation Notice

> On Oct 25, 2017, at 1:35 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > Pursuant to rule 2493 (“Regulations”), I intend, without 2 objections or with > consent, to recommend the following regulation. This regulation is purely a > formality, as the values it sets are the default values for the relevant > swit

Re: BUS: JA;tC

I support. On 10/30/2017 08:00 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > I intend to destroy JA:tC with 2 Agora Consent, on the basis that it > has been judged INEFFECTIVE. > > -Aris > > On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:58 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > > wrote: > >

Re: BUS: JA;tC

Excuse me, I support. On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 11:01 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > I support. > > On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Aris Merchant > wrote: >> I intend to destroy JA:tC with 2 Agora Consent, on the basis that it has >> been judged INEFFECTIVE. >> >> -Aris >> >> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:58

BUS: JA:tC Mark II

I give a shiny to agora and create the following Contract. I also transfer a shiny to it. Title: isnack 2.0 Text: Any player may become a party to this contract by announcement. This contract accepts Shinies and nothing else. For one week after this contract's inception, players should come up w

Re: BUS: JA;tC

I intend to destroy JA:tC with 2 Agora Consent, on the basis that it has been judged INEFFECTIVE. -Aris On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:58 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus < p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com> wrote: > I object. > > On 10/30/2017 04:14 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > I'm sorry, I intend to

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Agronomist Election Agoran Decision Initiation and Campaign Proposal Distribution

I vote as V.J Rada has voted. On 10/30/2017 04:11 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > Oh yeah fair cop on the AI. Yeah, vote AGAINST mine and for o's guys. > I vote PRESENT on the election, AGAINST my proposals and FOR o's, > > On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 12:45 AM, ATMunn wrote: >> I vote FOR o's campaign proposal

Re: BUS: JA;tC

I object. On 10/30/2017 04:14 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > I'm sorry, I intend to destroy it without objection. > > On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 7:14 AM, VJ Rada wrote: >> I attempt to destroy JA;tC without objection. >> >> -- >> From V.J. Rada > > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Agronomist Election Agoran Decision Initiation and Campaign Proposal Distribution

As Promtor, I identify all proposals as listed below. -Aris On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:40 AM, ATMunn wrote: > Doing it correctly this time! > If you already voted on this, please vote again. > > As per my duties as ADoP, I hereby initiate the Agoran Decision to > select the winner of the Agronomi

BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Surveyor Election Campaign Proposal Distribution

As Promotor, I identify all proposals as numbered below. -Aris On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:38 AM, ATMunn wrote: > Doing it correctly this time! > Note: If you've already voted, you'll have to vote again. > > As the nomination period of the Surveyor election is over, and there > was only one candid

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Proto Referee Campaign Proposal

for Referee On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 8:56 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > OK then. I create and designate the below proposal as my Campaign Proposal > > On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 2:21 PM, VJ Rada wrote: >> Title: Referee Reform and Card Appealability >> Author: V.J. Rada, >> (I stole a lot of ideas here s

BUS: Re: DIS: Proto Referee Campaign Proposal

OK then. I create and designate the below proposal as my Campaign Proposal On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 2:21 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > Title: Referee Reform and Card Appealability > Author: V.J. Rada, > (I stole a lot of ideas here so if you recognize your own, tell me) > AI: 2 > Text: > Change the power o

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Rulekeepor Election Agoran Decision Initiation

I vote [Trigon, Alexis]. -Aris On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 1:49 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I vote [PSS, Alexis]. > > On 10/30/2017 09:41 AM, ATMunn wrote: >> Doing it correctly this time! >> If you already voted, please vote again. >> >> >> As per my duties as ADoP, I hereby initia

Re: BUS: Judgments of CFJs 3587 & 3588

On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 at 13:17 Alexis Hunt wrote: > Consequently, I find that the correct way to interpret this contract is > simply that it does nothing. Accordingly, CFJ 3587 is FALSE and CFJ 3588 is > TRUE. > I award myself 4 shinies for these cases. -Alexis

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3585 assigned to V.J. Rada

I award myself 2 shinies for this On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:35 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > The text of the rules (2168) say that PSS was obligated to "issue a > humiliating public reminder to the slackers who have not yet cast any > votes on it despite being eligible". PSS literally used the words > "h

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3576 assigned to Publius Scribonius Scholasticus (Gaelan recused) (fwd)

On Mon, 30 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > COE: none of those assignments went through (as you know) CoE accepted. Revision: As of the time of the above CoE, CFJs 3584-3588 had not been assigned to judges.

BUS: reward

I claim a 5-shiny reward for my most-recent Arbitor weekly report. -G.

BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Rulekeepor Election Agoran Decision Initiation

I vote [PSS, Alexis]. On 10/30/2017 09:41 AM, ATMunn wrote: > Doing it correctly this time! > If you already voted, please vote again. > > > As per my duties as ADoP, I hereby initiate the Agoran Decision to > select the winner of the Rulekeepor election. > > For this decision, the vote collector

BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Agronomist Election Agoran Decision Initiation and Campaign Proposal Distribution

I vote for o and vote in favour of proposals 7955 and 7956. On 10/30/2017 09:40 AM, ATMunn wrote: > Doing it correctly this time! > If you already voted on this, please vote again. > > As per my duties as ADoP, I hereby initiate the Agoran Decision to > select the winner of the Agronomist election

BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Surveyor Election Campaign Proposal Distribution

I vote in favour of proposal 7954. On 10/30/2017 09:38 AM, ATMunn wrote: > Doing it correctly this time! > Note: If you've already voted, you'll have to vote again. > > As the nomination period of the Surveyor election is over, and there > was only one candidate, o, the election is uncontested. >

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Weekly Report (revision 1)

This time to public forum. On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 7:18 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > I destroy each of my own pledges except for the one which begins "I > pledge not to make thread titles". Obviously any pledges I have made > since my intent are not destroyed. > > On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 8:54 AM, VJ Rada

Re: BUS: JA;tC

I'm sorry, I intend to destroy it without objection. On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 7:14 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > I attempt to destroy JA;tC without objection. > > -- > From V.J. Rada -- >From V.J. Rada

BUS: JA;tC

I attempt to destroy JA;tC without objection. -- >From V.J. Rada

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Agronomist Election Agoran Decision Initiation and Campaign Proposal Distribution

Oh yeah fair cop on the AI. Yeah, vote AGAINST mine and for o's guys. I vote PRESENT on the election, AGAINST my proposals and FOR o's, On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 12:45 AM, ATMunn wrote: > I vote FOR o's campaign proposal and AGAINST VJ Rada's proposal. > (o's is the only one that works!) > I vote f

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Rulekeepor Election Agoran Decision Initiation

I vote Trigon. On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 2:51 AM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > I vote conditionally as follows: > > {Alexis, Trigon} if Alexis publishes a FLR draft to a forum before the end > of the voting period; {Trigon, Alexis} otherwise. > > On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 at 09:41 ATMunn wrote: >> >> Doing it c

BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Surveyor Election Campaign Proposal Distribution

FOR On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 12:38 AM, ATMunn wrote: > Doing it correctly this time! > Note: If you've already voted, you'll have to vote again. > > As the nomination period of the Surveyor election is over, and there > was only one candidate, o, the election is uncontested. > > Since e did submit

BUS: [dicelog] [Fearmongor] dice rolls

This is an automatic message. This message was generated by ke...@u.washington.edu through the "hamete virtual dice server" at https://dicelog.com Message sent to: ke...@u.washington.edu agora-business@agoranomic.org Dice Roll Information: -- First roll for

BUS: [Fearmongor] Rule pick table

A 138-sided die will be used to pick a rule to propose for repeal (first roll) and rule to amend (second roll) from the following table. 1 101 (The Game of Agora), power=4 2 1698 (Agora Is A Nomic), power=4 3 2029 (Town Fountain), power=4 4 1030 (Precedence between Rules), power=3.2 5 2486 (The

BUS: SLR CoEs

[From the desk of the Fearmongor's rule-parser]. CoE: The latest published SLR by PSS is missing a rule number for The Agoran Newspaper in the correct place, but appends it to the rule's text. CoE: R1650 (Silliness) is listed as Power-2 in the latest SLR, should be power-1.

BUS: Re: DIS: The Trigonian Short Logical Ruleset of 2017-10-29

This is a Notice of Honour: Trigon gains one karma for seeming to do really well so far at publishing rulesets, omd loses one karma because I can't think of anyone else to lose karma and e is inactive. On 10/30/2017 2:07 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: Is there any way I

BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Agronomist Election Agoran Decision Initiation and Campaign Proposal Distribution

Blah. I vote {o, VJ Rada} in the Agronomist election and vote FOR both of their campaign proposals. (attn: PSS) On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 at 13:34 ATMunn wrote: > NttPF and also the wrong thread. > > On 10/30/2017 11:48 AM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > > On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 at 21:58 ATMunn iamingodsa...@gmai

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Surveyor Election Campaign Proposal Distribution

Ah, oops. I vote FOR o's Surveyor campaign proposal then. (attn: PSS) On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 at 13:33 ATMunn wrote: > This one is the old one. I guess I shouldn't have made the new ones have > the same subject line... > > On 10/30/2017 11:47 AM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > > This one still fails to mentio

BUS: Judgments of CFJs 3587 & 3588

These cases revolve around the interpretation of the following contract: { Any player may become a party to this contract by announcement. This contract shall not be interpreted in any way by its plain text, but instead is only to be interpreted based on common sense and the game's best interest

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of 7931-7953

I vote AGAINST on the proposals 7939 and 7945. 天火狐 On 30 October 2017 at 11:54, Alexis Hunt wrote: > On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 at 01:49 Aris Merchant gmail.com> wrote: > >> I accept Alexis' CoE with regard to the most recent proposal distribution. >> The following is a revision, effective immediatel

BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of 7931-7953

On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 at 01:49 Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > I accept Alexis' CoE with regard to the most recent proposal distribution. > The following is a revision, effective immediately. > > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran > Decision

BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Rulekeepor Election Agoran Decision Initiation

I vote conditionally as follows: {Alexis, Trigon} if Alexis publishes a FLR draft to a forum before the end of the voting period; {Trigon, Alexis} otherwise. On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 at 09:41 ATMunn wrote: > Doing it correctly this time! > If you already voted, please vote again. > > > As per my dut

BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Surveyor Election Campaign Proposal Distribution

This one still fails to mention conditionals, unfortunately. This is a Notice of Honour: I lose a Karma for introducing such a silly pedantic bug into the ruleset. ATMunn gains a Karma for putting up with it. On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 at 21:56 ATMunn wrote: > As the nomination period of the Surveyo

BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Surveyor Election Campaign Proposal Distribution

I vote FOR. On 10/30/2017 9:38 AM, ATMunn wrote: Doing it correctly this time! Note: If you've already voted, you'll have to vote again. As the nomination period of the Surveyor election is over, and there was only one candidate, o, the election is uncontested. Since e did submit a campaign pr

BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Agronomist Election Agoran Decision Initiation and Campaign Proposal Distribution

I vote FOR o's campaign proposal and AGAINST VJ Rada's proposal. (o's is the only one that works!) I vote for o in the election. On 10/30/2017 9:40 AM, ATMunn wrote: Doing it correctly this time! If you already voted on this, please vote again. As per my duties as ADoP, I hereby initiate the Ag

BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Rulekeepor Election Agoran Decision Initiation

I vote {Alexis, PSS} (again) On 10/30/2017 9:41 AM, ATMunn wrote: Doing it correctly this time! If you already voted, please vote again. As per my duties as ADoP, I hereby initiate the Agoran Decision to select the winner of the Rulekeepor election. For this decision, the vote collector is th

BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of 7931-7953

I vote as follows: 7931 PRESENT 7932 FOR 7933 FOR 7934 FOR 7935 FOR 7936 FOR 7937 PRESENT 7938 FOR 7939 AGAINST 7940 FOR 7941 FOR 7942 AGAINST 7943 FOR 7944 FOR 7945 FOR 7946 AGAINST 7947 AGAINST

BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of 7931-7953

I vote as follows: On 10/30/2017 01:48 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: > I accept Alexis' CoE with regard to the most recent proposal distribution. > The following is a revision, effective immediately. > > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran > Decision of whether to adopt it,

BUS: Shiny Transfer

I transfer one shiny to the contract "Judicial Activism: the Contract". This leaves me with 48 shinies, and the contract 1.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of 7931-7953

On Mon, 2017-10-30 at 18:34 +1100, VJ Rada wrote: > On that proposal, I vote AGAINST. Unless JAtC makes that illegal. In > which case I vote PRESENT, or if that's illegal, I do not vote. I suspect "unless JAtC makes it illegal" makes the conditional too ambiguous to evaluate, given that the contra

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of 7931-7953

On that proposal, I vote AGAINST. Unless JAtC makes that illegal. In which case I vote PRESENT, or if that's illegal, I do not vote. On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:08 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: > On proposal 7946 you voted "AGANST" when in fact you probably meant > "AGAINST" > > -- > Trigon > > On Oct 3

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of 7931-7953

These votes are overridden if the contract JA:tC makes any of them illegal. Any illegal vote is overridden by PRESENT, unless that is also illegal, in which case I do not vote. 7931: FOR 7932: FOR 7933: FOR 7934: AGAINST 7935: FOR 7936: FOR 7937: AGAINST 7938: FOR 7939: FOR 7940: FOR 7941: FOR 794