DIS: Re: BUS: Proto Proposal - simplify annotations

2007-06-07 Thread Zefram
Levi Stephen wrote: > The annotation shall be the Statement > of the CFJ and the judgement of that CFJ. I prefer the feature of the present arrangement that the body of the annotation is a well-formed sentence which is to be interpreted as true. So for CFJs that are j

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Limited Partnerships, take fifteen

2007-06-07 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: > A partnership's basis is the set containing its natural-person > members, plus each member of the basis of each of its > non-natural-person members. Yay. This is the right way to do it. The reason your original "Limited Partnerships" proposal failed to prevent a

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Clean up the Registrar rules

2007-06-07 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: > The Registrar's report shall include the following: ... > c) Whether each player is active or inactive, and the date on > which eir status last changed. I dislike this. I think the reporting requirement for activity should go where activity is defined, in rule

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Combined nomic protection

2007-06-07 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: > (d) the action would, as part of its effect, make it impossible > to make arbitrary modifications to the rules by any > combinations of actions by players, and/or impossible to > adopt proposals within a four-week period; or I'm not clear on how d

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Reinstate the Justiciar

2007-06-07 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: > The Justiciar is an office; its holder is responsible for > receiving and distributing Civil CFJs and Appeals. I don't see the justification for separating these from General CFJs. -zefram

DIS: proto: discretionary annotations only

2007-06-07 Thread Zefram
proto-proposal: discretionary annotations only {{{ Vacate all orders requiring the rulekeepor to annotate rules. Repeal rule 789. Amend rule 1681 by deleting the text ", and must also include any annotations to the rule required by order". }}} -zefram

DIS: Re: BUS: Primo Share transfers

2007-06-07 Thread Taral
On 6/6/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I write "Kallisti" on the back of 1 Share of Primo Corporation, then transfer it to Eris. I attempt to eat 1 Share of Primo Corporation, but it doesn't taste very good. Whatever happened to using apples? -- Eris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Please let me

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Limited Partnerships, take fifteen

2007-06-07 Thread Taral
On 6/7/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Proto-Proposal: Limited Partnerships, take fifteen Amend Rule 2144 (Limited Partnerships) to read: A partnership's basis is the set containing its natural-person members, plus each member of the basis of each of its non-natur

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Limited Partnerships, take fifteen

2007-06-07 Thread Zefram
Taral wrote: >Very good. Now just identify them and we'll avoid any issues. We voted against that already: proposals 4973 and 4974. -zefram

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Limited Partnerships, take fifteen

2007-06-07 Thread Taral
On 6/7/07, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Taral wrote: >Very good. Now just identify them and we'll avoid any issues. We voted against that already: proposals 4973 and 4974. Sorry, math "identify" - make equal. -- Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Please let me know if there's any further trouble

DIS: Re: BUS: Bob's Quality Cards

2007-06-07 Thread Ian Kelly
On 6/7/07, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bob's Quality Cards is a partnership and binding agreement created under the laws of the state of Colorado. The partners of Bob's Quality Cards are myself (BobTHJ / Roger Hicks) and a close personal friend John Chapman. The terms of our partnershi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bob's Quality Cards

2007-06-07 Thread Roger Hicks
On 6/7/07, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/7/07, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bob's Quality Cards is a partnership and binding agreement created under the > laws of the state of Colorado. The partners of Bob's Quality Cards are > myself (BobTHJ / Roger Hicks) and a close pe

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bob's Quality Cards

2007-06-07 Thread Ian Kelly
On 6/7/07, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Parachutenear Grand Junction on the west slope. It's a great state to live in :) Ah. My girlfriend is currently working as an intern for the Palisade Tribune, so I'll be passing through that area next weekend. -root

DIS: Re: BUS: Bob's Quality Cards

2007-06-07 Thread Michael Slone
On 6/7/07, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bob's Quality Cards creates an infinite number of Primo Corporation shares. Since you're new here, you probably don't know this yet, but attempting to duplicate a scam that has already been attempted is Not Done. Also, without special coaxing,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bob's Quality Cards

2007-06-07 Thread Ian Kelly
On 6/7/07, Michael Slone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Since you're new here, you probably don't know this yet, but attempting to duplicate a scam that has already been attempted is Not Done. Apparently this doesn't include the "Deregister and Lurk Dourly" scam. =) -root

DIS: Re: BUS: posture

2007-06-07 Thread Zefram
comex wrote: >I hereby change myself from lying down to sitting. No you don't: you were already standing as a result of proposal 4991. -zefram

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Combined nomic protection

2007-06-07 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: (d) the action would, as part of its effect, make it impossible to make arbitrary modifications to the rules by any combinations of actions by players, and/or impossible to adopt proposals within a four-week period; or I'm not cle

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Reinstate the Justiciar

2007-06-07 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: The Justiciar is an office; its holder is responsible for receiving and distributing Civil CFJs and Appeals. I don't see the justification for separating these from General CFJs. CotC is a fairly busy office. This splits it up a bit - not all that m

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Limited Partnerships, take fifteen

2007-06-07 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: A partnership's basis is the set containing its natural-person members, plus each member of the basis of each of its non-natural-person members. Yay. This is the right way to do it. The reason your original "Limited Partnerships" proposal failed

DIS: Re: BUS: posture

2007-06-07 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: I hereby change myself from lying down to sitting. As Clerk of the Courts, you were initialized to standing.

DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial catch-up

2007-06-07 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: Technically the first Timing Orders are invalid as I am not required to recuse... You are if the Overtime Period has expired (Rule 408), which I believe it has for all of the CFJs in that list. I issue a Notice of Rotation. CFJs not eligible to be assigned: CFJ 1676, CFJ 1685, C

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Combined nomic protection

2007-06-07 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: >It excludes them from this clause of Rule 101: I think that's not enough for the intended effect. Please rewrite in stronger form. -zefram

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial catch-up

2007-06-07 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: >Note to those still lying down: you're allowing the rest of us to >earn more VCs in return for the extra workload. Oh don't encourage them. They never judged on time (to earn VCs) anyway. -zefram

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bob's Quality Cards

2007-06-07 Thread Roger Hicks
Really what I was attempting to do here is test partnerships that include a person who is not a player (which AFAIK has not been done). The Primo shares thing was silly one-upmanship made primarily in jest...as I didn't expect it to fly. BobTHJ On 6/7/07, Michael Slone < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bob's Quality Cards

2007-06-07 Thread Zefram
Roger Hicks wrote: >Really what I was attempting to do here is test partnerships that include a >person who is not a player (which AFAIK has not been done). You should have tried this under Agoran law. We have the new provision that non-players can be parties to R1742 agreements, but the rules as

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Reinstate the Justiciar

2007-06-07 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: >CotC is a fairly busy office. This splits it up a bit - not all that >much Not enough, I think. By volume, Civil CFJs (a misnomer, btw: it's distinctly a criminal procedure, whereas General CFJs are civil in nature) and Appeals make up a very small proportion of the workload. I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bob's Quality Cards

2007-06-07 Thread Zefram
Michael Slone wrote: >In any case, I don't understand why y'all seem to think that someone >not party to an agreement can modify properties which essentially >supervene on that agreement. The agreement's wording leaves this an open matter. It says "Shares are property owned by Agoran Players.", w

DIS: Re: BUS: Bob's Quality Cards

2007-06-07 Thread Michael Slone
On 6/7/07, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Too vague. There are many infinite numbers (indeed, an infinite number of them), and you didn't specify which one. As has been pointed out already, the term ``number'' means ``real number'' in Agoran discourse, and every real number is finite. -- C

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bob's Quality Cards

2007-06-07 Thread Roger Hicks
On 6/7/07, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Roger Hicks wrote: >Really what I was attempting to do here is test partnerships that include a >person who is not a player (which AFAIK has not been done). You should have tried this under Agoran law. We have the new provision that non-players can

DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial catch-up

2007-06-07 Thread Michael Slone
On 6/7/07, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: While we have a great tradition of not being speciesist regarding personhood (CFJ 1614 et al), the phrase "root's keyboard" proposes What tradition? -- C. Maud Image (Michael Slone) Well, it's succinct, at least. -- Kelly, in agora-di

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Combined nomic protection

2007-06-07 Thread Michael Slone
On 6/7/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It excludes them from this clause of Rule 101: ii. Every player has the right to perform an action which is not regulated. People often have the capability to do things they have no right to do. -- C. Maud Image (Michael Sl

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Reinstate the Justiciar

2007-06-07 Thread comex
On Thursday 07 June 2007, Zefram wrote: > Ed Murphy wrote: > >CotC is a fairly busy office. This splits it up a bit - not all that > >much > > Not enough, I think. By volume, Civil CFJs (a misnomer, btw: it's > distinctly a criminal procedure, whereas General CFJs are civil in > nature) and Appea

DIS: Re: BUS: Bob's Quality Cards

2007-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
BobTHJ wrote: > It seems that a foriegn company would be recognized > within a nationality and be forced to abide by that nationalities > laws while operating within such a nationality. Interestingly, the previous version of the text required that the agreement be made with the intention (of tho

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Reinstate the Justiciar

2007-06-07 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: Or just modify Rule 591 to require judgements be published, so I can continue letting Murphy do the latter. :) Has anyone ever submitted a CFJ privately to the CotC?

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Reinstate the Justiciar

2007-06-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
Zefram wrote: > (a misnomer, btw: it's > distinctly a criminal procedure, whereas General CFJs are civil in > nature) Not quite. The civil CFJ is set up as a civil court, with the judge's ability to assess damages for Agreement violations in R1742(i)-(iii) is a specifically Civil procedure, and