Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 5080 - 5087 (corrected)

2007-08-02 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: Proto-proto: Re-factor each type of Agoran decision into its own rule; Something I've been meaning to do, once we stop fiddling with those rules in other ways. -zefram

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proposal: legal

2007-08-02 Thread comex
On Wednesday 01 August 2007, Ed Murphy wrote Neither CAN nor MAY is explicitly defined by Rule 2152, so ordinary language applies. Game custom for both is (not CANNOT) and (not MAY NOT). This is severely broken. Certainly MAY/CAN are not capitalized merely for emphasis. signature.asc

DIS: proto: clarify Mother, May I?

2007-08-02 Thread Zefram
proto-proposal: clarify Mother, May I? AI: 2 {{{ Amend rule 2152 to read The following terms are defined for the discussion of the status of events. These terms are spelled in all capitals. Where these words are used in lowercase these definitions do not necessarily

Re: DIS: proto: clarify Mother, May I?

2007-08-02 Thread comex
On Thursday 02 August 2007, Zefram wrote: proto-proposal: clarify Mother, May I? AI: 2 This does not fix CAN-allowing-action vs. MAY-allowing-action. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1713: assign Wooble

2007-08-02 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On 8/2/07, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geoffrey Spear wrote: the rule requires the statement to be inquired into to be included and I don't think it's sufficient that someone could take the initiator's announcement and formulate a statement that maybe e

Re: DIS: proto: clarify Mother, May I?

2007-08-02 Thread Zefram
comex wrote: This does not fix CAN-allowing-action vs. MAY-allowing-action. Both terms are perfectly well defined. CAN is used in several places to make something possible where it would otherwise be impossible. The sole use of MAY has a sensible meaning, of giving permission, but appears to be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1713: assign Wooble

2007-08-02 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On 8/2/07, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geoffrey Spear wrote: The phase whether CotC Zefram violated Rule 1871 can only be read to mean that what is to be determined is CotC Zefram's culpability for an alleged breach of the rules, I strongly disagree with this

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1713: assign Wooble

2007-08-02 Thread Zefram
Geoffrey Spear wrote: the rule requires the statement to be inquired into to be included and I don't think it's sufficient that someone could take the initiator's announcement and formulate a statement that maybe e wanted evaluated from it. That's a better

Re: DIS: proto: clarify Mother, May I?

2007-08-02 Thread comex
On Thursday 02 August 2007, Zefram wrote: comex wrote: This does not fix CAN-allowing-action vs. MAY-allowing-action. Both terms are perfectly well defined. CAN is used in several places to make something possible where it would otherwise be impossible. The sole use of MAY has a sensible

Re: DIS: proto: clarify Mother, May I?

2007-08-02 Thread Zefram
comex wrote: What if the ordinary language bit was a bit less clear and said: Then the rule would be pretty unclear. Rule 1607 is not the only relevant rule. Consider, for example, rule 2161. CAN the player assign ID numbers? R2161 doesn't explicitly address the capacity to assign ID

DIS: Re: OFF: rulekeepor's notes on proposals 5107-5114

2007-08-02 Thread Taral
On 8/2/07, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proposal 5112 (Democratic, AI=2, Interested) by Murphy Change the title of Rule 2148 to The Ambassador, and amend it by replacing Ambassador's report with Ambassador's monthly report. Amendment fails, because the text to replace doesn't exist in the

DIS: proto: pragmatify officeholding

2007-08-02 Thread Zefram
proto-proposal: pragmatify officeholding AI: 2 {{{ Amend rule 2154 by replacing the first paragraph with Any player CAN make an active player (hereafter the nominee) the holder of an office, thus removing any previous holder from the office, with Agoran Consent, provided that

Re: DIS: proto: clarify Mother, May I?

2007-08-02 Thread Ian Kelly
On 8/2/07, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: comex wrote: What if the ordinary language bit was a bit less clear and said: Then the rule would be pretty unclear. Rule 1607 is not the only relevant rule. Consider, for example, rule 2161. CAN the player assign ID numbers? R2161 doesn't

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proposal: legal

2007-08-02 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Wednesday 01 August 2007, Ed Murphy wrote Neither CAN nor MAY is explicitly defined by Rule 2152, so ordinary language applies. Game custom for both is (not CANNOT) and (not MAY NOT). This is severely broken. Certainly MAY/CAN are not capitalized merely for emphasis.

Re: DIS: proto: clarify Mother, May I?

2007-08-02 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: proto-proposal: clarify Mother, May I? * x CAN y: it is POSSIBLE for x to y. * x CANNOT y: it is IMPOSSIBLE for x to y. This eliminates x CAN y only if z as a synonym for x CANNOT y if not z. Similarly for the other cases. In particular, we might want to amend

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Faction anyone ?

2007-08-02 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Friday 27 July 2007, Antonio Dolcetta wrote: I was wandering if anyone is interested in creating a faction. Since the faction rules have been introduced no one has made one, Is there any interest at all in playing factions out ? I cause Agora to join B Nomic per rule 5-2.