Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: The Republic of Agora

2007-08-17 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: This gets into the attribute vs. possession debate. Well, yes. I'd like you to pick one or the other and be consistent about it. Much of your rule text speaks of gaining and losing S, so it appears that you intend them to be possessions. It's a proposal award, it goes with the

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ

2007-08-17 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: This hinges on whether is recused in Rule 2126 (losing VCs) (c) implicitly restricts its scope to non-reflexive recusals. I think it (well, actually your second CFJ) hinges on whether the because clause in R2126 means anything. -zefram

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: MMI fix

2007-08-17 Thread Zefram
Levi Stephen wrote: I seem to remember there was a proto or proposal trying to define statements like these in more detail, but I can't find it right now. clarify Mother, May I?, proposal 5136, rejected with VI=1.25. You voted against it; it would have been adopted if you'd voted in favour

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: MMI fix

2007-08-17 Thread Zefram
Pavitra wrote: [We really should canonize CAN NOT as a synonym of CANNOT, though.] I suggest not doing so. can not is a confusing turn of phrase, best avoided. Where not is a separate word in these phrases, there are two possible things it could be negating. Consider: x MUST NOT y = x

DIS: proto: black cap

2007-08-17 Thread Zefram
proto-proposal: black cap AI: 2 {{{ Amend rule 2126 by replacing item c) in the list of ways that VCs can be gained with c) When a player assigns a judgement to a judicial question, and has not violated a requirement to submit that judgement within a time limit, e gains

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Republic repair

2007-08-17 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: Proto-Proposal: Republic repair I'm opposed to this being a separate proposal from the Republic of Agora. Merge the fixes into the main proposal. -zefram

DIS: proto: reward deputisation

2007-08-17 Thread Zefram
proto-proposal: reward for deputisation AI: 2 {{{ Amend rule 2126 by appending to the list of ways that VCs can be gained: d) When a player deputises for an office e gains one Cyan VC, unless someone previously gained a VC in this manner for the same office in the same

DIS: proto: list VC behaviour by colour

2007-08-17 Thread Zefram
proto-proposal: list VC behaviour by colour AI: 2 {{{ Amend rule 2126 by replacing the text VCs may be gained as follows: a) When an interested proposal is adopted, its proposer gains a number of Red VCs equal to the integer portion of the proposal's adoption

DIS: Re: BUS: proposal: fix switch definitions

2007-08-17 Thread Ian Kelly
On 8/17/07, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To flip an instance of a switch to a particular value is to make that switch come to have that value (regardless of what the switch's value was previously). To become X, where X is a possible value of exactly one of the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proposal: fix switch definitions

2007-08-17 Thread Peekee
or I'm flip'in active? Quoting Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 8/17/07, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To flip an instance of a switch to a particular value is to make that switch come to have that value (regardless of what the switch's value was previously). To become X,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proposal: fix switch definitions

2007-08-17 Thread Zefram
Ian Kelly wrote: So I become active will no longer be an acceptable variant of I flip my activity to active? I think it would reasonably imply that you are flipping your activity. To say I make myself active would be a more direct synonym of I flip my activity to active, and it's clearer when

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proposal: fix switch definitions

2007-08-17 Thread Zefram
Ian Kelly wrote: also argue thet I make myself active is closer in meaning to I become active than to I flip my activity to active. I find that a strange assertion. I become active says nothing about the means by which one becomes active, whereas both of the others are explicit that one is

DIS: proto: return of the newbie award

2007-08-17 Thread Zefram
proto-proposal: return of the newbie award AI: 2 {{{ Amend rule 2126 by appending to the list of ways that VCs can be gained (and lost, if both are in a single list): (+W) When a person becomes a player and has never been a player before, e gains 1 white VC. When a person has

Re: DIS: proto: black cap

2007-08-17 Thread Taral
On 8/17/07, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: within a time limit, e gains one VC. The VC gained is Black if the judicial question is on sentencing, or Blue otherwise. on veracity or culpability, e gains one Blue VC, unless e Spurious line. -- Taral [EMAIL

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: MMI fix

2007-08-17 Thread Ian Kelly
On 8/17/07, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is starting to remind me of this paper: http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/steele.pdf A brilliant paper. Quite persuasive in its point, I think. Nifty, I was previously unaware of that paper. Disappointing that he never

Re: DIS: proto: return of the newbie award

2007-08-17 Thread Pavitra
(+W) When a person becomes a player and has never been a player before, e gains 1 white VC. When a person has been a player continuously for 100 days and has never been a player before that period, e gains 1 white VC. I'd restrict the award to

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 1727: assign Wooble

2007-08-17 Thread Ian Kelly
On 8/17/07, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I judge FALSE. BobTHJ was not recused because a judicial question has remained applicable, open, and unjudged; e chose to recuse emself because (or so e said at the time, and I see no reason not to take em at eir word) e didn't have enough time

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Republic repair

2007-08-17 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: Proto-Proposal: Republic repair I'm opposed to this being a separate proposal from the Republic of Agora. Merge the fixes into the main proposal. I plan to; that was written before I saw the votes swinging roughly 2 to 1 against.

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Transfinite arithmetic

2007-08-17 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: Proto-Proposal: Transfinite arithmetic Do you have a use for more of those identities, then? -zefram