Re: DIS: Proto: Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery

2007-11-14 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: Zefram wrote: I dislike this idea. Why? I think it's not a naturally significant condition, but one that could be expected to occur in some perfectly ordinary circumstances. Attempts to avert such a win would induce people to make good proposals fail, which i

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Agoran Action

2007-11-14 Thread Benjamin Schultz
Given that B and Agora are rattling their rulesets, what do we want to do should the situation devolve into open warfare? For that matter, is Agora currently party to any extant inter-Nomic conventions? - Benjamin Schultz KE3OM OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Proto: Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery

2007-11-14 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Nov 14, 2007, at 11:14 AM, comex wrote: On 11/14/07, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think it's not a naturally significant condition, but one that could be expected to occur in some perfectly ordinary circumstances. Attempts to avert such a win would induce people to make good prop

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2007-11-14 Thread comex
On 11/14/07, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I submit the following proposal, titled "Contracts are a subset of > agreements" (II=0): > > Amend Rule 2136 (Contests) by replacing each instance of the word > "agreement" with "contest". "A contest is a contest that..."

Re: DIS: Back to the contest future

2007-11-14 Thread Ian Kelly
On Nov 14, 2007 12:01 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Are "basis" and "disjoint" suitably > > and clearly defined in "primarily mathematical contexts" when we're > > so we don't have to define it further? (I think so, just double-checking). > > Assuming that "Generalized basis sets"

Re: DIS: Back to the contest future

2007-11-14 Thread Ian Kelly
On Nov 14, 2007 10:48 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A contestmaster may, each week, award to its contestants a > number of points equal to 5 times its basis... Should be "5 times the size of its basis" > Create the following rule, "Public Contracts": > >A public con

Re: DIS: Back to the contest future

2007-11-14 Thread Ian Kelly
On Nov 14, 2007 11:54 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Ian Kelly wrote: > > How about requiring the basis of the contestmaster to be disjoint from > > the bases of the contestmasters of all other contests? > > Works for me. Side question: "basis" is defined for

Re: DIS: Back to the contest future

2007-11-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Ian Kelly wrote: > How about requiring the basis of the contestmaster to be disjoint from > the bases of the contestmasters of all other contests? Works for me. Side question: "basis" is defined for partnerships only but not agreements in general. Are "basis" and "disjoint

Re: DIS: Back to the contest future

2007-11-14 Thread Ian Kelly
On Nov 14, 2007 11:05 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Roger Hicks wrote: > > Why first-class? This prevents contests run by a partnership (thus > > sharing the responsibilities of running the contest). The rest of it I > > like. > > Using the "basis" for membersh

Re: DIS: Back to the contest future

2007-11-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Roger Hicks wrote: > Why first-class? This prevents contests run by a partnership (thus > sharing the responsibilities of running the contest). The rest of it I > like. Using the "basis" for membership points calculations prevents scammers from raising the points available to

Re: DIS: Back to the contest future

2007-11-14 Thread Roger Hicks
On Nov 14, 2007 10:48 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >A public contract is created by the publication of its text by >its Originator. The originator must be a first-class player. Why first-class? This prevents contests run by a partnership (thus sharing the responsibilities of

DIS: Back to the contest future

2007-11-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
All these bugs mirror fixes made in the old contests which were pretty bulleted against scams. Also, the joining issue. In fact, the old Organization rules covered a lot of this well. Let's try again. -- Proto: Public games,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proving a point

2007-11-14 Thread Ian Kelly
On Nov 14, 2007 9:30 AM, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think it comes down to the interpretation of Murphy's "I agree to > be bound by ...". Was e agreeing to create a single contract only, > with potentially many parties? Or just a single contract with exactly > one other party? Or mult

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proving a point

2007-11-14 Thread Zefram
Ian Kelly wrote: >But does such dissolution prevent anybody else from agreeing to be >bound by it and forming the contract once again? That's one of the things I was wondering about. If not, I believe the new agreement would be a different contract from the first one. Then the phrase "the Bake T

DIS: Re: BUS: Proving a point

2007-11-14 Thread Ian Kelly
On Nov 14, 2007 4:29 AM, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ed Murphy wrote: > >I agree to be bound by the following contract: > > > > 1) The name of this contest is Bake The Traitor. > > > > 2) The contestmaster of this contest is Murphy. > > > > 3) Any contestant other than comex who becomes

Re: DIS: Proto: Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery

2007-11-14 Thread comex
On 11/14/07, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think it's not a naturally significant condition, but one that could be > expected to occur in some perfectly ordinary circumstances. Attempts to > avert such a win would induce people to make good proposals fail, which > is a perverse behaviour t

Re: DIS: Proto: Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery

2007-11-14 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: >Zefram wrote: >>I dislike this idea. > >Why? I think it's not a naturally significant condition, but one that could be expected to occur in some perfectly ordinary circumstances. Attempts to avert such a win would induce people to make good proposals fail, which is a perverse be

Re: DIS: Proto: Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery

2007-11-14 Thread comex
On 11/14/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Zefram wrote: > > > Ed Murphy wrote: > > >> Create a rule titled "Winning by Legislative Dominance" with Power 2 > > > > I dislike this idea. > > Why? We need more ways to win.

Re: DIS: Proto: Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery

2007-11-14 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: Create a rule titled "Winning by Legislative Dominance" with Power 2 I dislike this idea. Why?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Defense preparations?

2007-11-14 Thread Roger Hicks
On Nov 14, 2007 12:16 AM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 13, 2007 6:18 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2. Anyone want to pull the old guillotine rules out? > > I play the "Let Them Eat Cake" card and behead Marie Antoinette. > > -root > The cake is a lie. BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Proto: Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery

2007-11-14 Thread comex
On 11/14/07, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ed Murphy wrote: > >Wonko and bad leprechaun are co-authors of this proposal. > > Are these specific entities? See... http://b.nomic.net/index.php/Victory_Conditions

DIS: Re: BUS: Proving a point

2007-11-14 Thread comex
On 11/14/07, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If we accept the contract's dubious synonymity of "contestant" = > "party other than Murphy", in one second I'll cease to be a party, > and the contract will dissolve. Or perhaps after one second you became Murphy.

Re: DIS: Proto: Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery

2007-11-14 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: >Wonko and bad leprechaun are co-authors of this proposal. Are these specific entities? >Create a rule titled "Winning by Legislative Dominance" with Power 2 I dislike this idea. -zefram