DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 1895-97 assigned to Murphy

2008-02-03 Thread Ian Kelly
On Feb 3, 2008 4:03 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > == CFJ 1896 == > > > > There exists a R2160 'position' that is not an office > > A judgeship is such a position. I judge FALSE. > > root, would you like me to transfer 189

DIS: Re: BUS: Mad Scientist Duties (The Revenge)

2008-02-03 Thread Ian Kelly
On Feb 3, 2008 2:48 PM, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Append the following text (from rule 2034) to rule 2193: > > As rulekeepor I see a potential problem. You claim that the text is from > rule 2034, but in fact rule 2034 has never contained that text. Indeed, > it has never contained the

Re: DIS: Proto-judgement of CFJ 1882

2008-02-03 Thread Charles Reiss
On Saturday 02 February 2008 20:51:24 Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Sat, 2 Feb 2008, Zefram wrote: > > The rules do not explicitly define the meaning of "registered as a > > watcher". I wonder how "I wish to be registered as a carpenter." would > > be interpreted. > > You would clearly become a player w

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market change

2008-02-03 Thread Ben Caplan
> > The problem is that the Vote Market prevents me from leaving under certain > > circumstances. > > Suppose I have 49 VP, and someone proposes to add an article reading "At > > the beginning of each week, if watcher is a party and has at least as many > > VP as there are parties to this contract,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market change

2008-02-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 3 Feb 2008, Ben Caplan wrote: > On Sunday 03 February 2008 12:54 Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008, Ben Caplan wrote: >>> Oh wait -- would amendment by less than unanimity create a R101(v) >>> conflict? >> >> Nope! Only if the voting process itself were patently unfair. When you

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market change

2008-02-03 Thread Ben Caplan
On Sunday 03 February 2008 12:54 Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Sun, 3 Feb 2008, Ben Caplan wrote: > > Oh wait -- would amendment by less than unanimity create a R101(v) > > conflict? > > Nope! Only if the voting process itself were patently unfair. When you > agree, in joining the contract, to be bound

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 1895-97 assigned to Murphy

2008-02-03 Thread Iammars
I SUPPORT. You beat me to pointing it out. On Feb 3, 2008 6:05 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I wrote: > > >> == CFJ 1896 > == > >> > >> There exists a R2160 'position' that is not an office > > > > A judgeship is such a p

DIS: Re: BUS: deputy

2008-02-03 Thread Zefram
comex wrote: >Furthermore, Rule 2160 notes >> (or, if the position is vacant, would so require if the position were filled) > >Makes sense for offices, and maybe other things (vote collector?) but >is absolutely meaningless if a person is a position. It's not meaningless. It's obviously not relev

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Scam-busting

2008-02-03 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sunday 03 February 2008 13:12:29 Iammars wrote: > On Feb 2, 2008 9:24 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I CFJ on the following: comex successfully caused at least one player > > other than emself to cast a vote on Proposal 5419. > > Wouldn't he have caused the AFO to vote even if the

DIS: Re: BUS: Scam-busting

2008-02-03 Thread Iammars
On Feb 2, 2008 9:24 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I CFJ on the following: comex successfully caused at least one player > other than emself to cast a vote on Proposal 5419. > Wouldn't he have caused the AFO to vote even if the others didn't work? This should probably be "more than on

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1893 assigned to Wooble

2008-02-03 Thread Ian Kelly
On Feb 3, 2008 9:55 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Given the high likelihood that CFJ 1892 will establish a clear > precedent that a contract that's not binding cannot exist by > definition, would it be appropriate to wait for its judgment and then > judge 1893 without considering

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1893 assigned to Wooble

2008-02-03 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Feb 2, 2008 9:57 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Caller's Arguments: > > In addition to the issue of contracthood in the case initiated by > pikhq, I request that the judge consider: > > 1) whether "agreement between all parties" to change the membership of > a "non-binding contract"

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1892 assigned to Goethe

2008-02-03 Thread Ian Kelly
On Feb 2, 2008 10:46 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If none of the clauses have precedence, the status of X may be > UNDETERMINED (a self-contradictory loop). This outcome would more properly be UNDECIDABLE. I think that you also should address comex's claim, i.e. that R1742 defines

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1888 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-02-03 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Jan 31, 2008, at 11:14 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2008, Benjamin Schultz wrote: (with a notice similar to mine) to all registered players; relying on players subscribing to or reading the archives of a public forum is not sufficient. I think you mean "non-public forum" here;

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1892 assigned to Goethe

2008-02-03 Thread Zefram
Kerim Aydin wrote: >In the absence of any explicit guidance in the contract, I rely on >the game custom (and method for Rules) of using numerical precedence >within the body of the contract, and find that Clause 1 has precedence >over Clauses 2-3. I'm dubious about this. No doubt it would be p

Re: DIS: Protoproposal: Lynching

2008-02-03 Thread Zefram
Ian Kelly wrote: >As a practical matter, how is the first question decided without at >least some common knowledge as to how the second question will be >decided? The decision to ostracise is made in the presence of common knowledge of the existence of a particular conflict. In the present case,