Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Mad Scientist] Building the Monster

2008-09-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 8 Sep 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: tusho wrote: On 09/09/2008, Michael Norrish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kerim Aydin wrote: Therefore, no matter which noun you replace, you get in effect the same result. Michael for Monster!!! :) Err, woot! Michael - someone better tell me what my

DIS: Re: BUS: The first game

2008-09-09 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Benjamin Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gratuitous argument on the second CFJ: See the most recent self-ratified IADoP's report. (The report of 26 Aug 2008 listed pikhq as Speaker, who self-evidently is not Michael Norrish.) The IADoP's report doesn't

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The first game

2008-09-09 Thread comex
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 8:19 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gratuitous argument on the second CFJ: See the most recent self-ratified IADoP's report. (The report of 26 Aug 2008 listed pikhq as Speaker, who self-evidently is not Michael Norrish.) Yes, but shall be and is are quite

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Mad Scientist] Building the Monster

2008-09-09 Thread comex
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Therefore, no matter which noun you replace, you get in effect the same result. Michael for Monster!!! :) Well, with either of the interpretations that makes Michael actually the Monster (as opposed to eir Speaker), ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The first game

2008-09-09 Thread Zefram
comex wrote: Are we in the first game, or the (number of game wins + 1)th game? The way Agora has been structured since ?1995, there is no Nth game, we're in just the game. The phrase the first game, in the context of R104, has a special meaning, though: it refers to

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2107b assigned to OscarMeyr, Murphy, root

2008-09-09 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 8:24 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 7:15 PM, Charles Reiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think I made any commentary to agora-business (check agora-discussion archives for my brief old considerings). But basically, the record in 2107a

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2108 assigned to Wooble

2008-09-09 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:35 AM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: == Equity Case 2108 == Ivan Hope has failed to increase eir VP holdings above 50 within the

DIS: Re: BUS: R104

2008-09-09 Thread ihope
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proposal, AI=3, The First Speaker: Amend Rule 104 to read: The Speaker for the first game was Michael Norrish. E shall forever be known as First Speaker Michael. If I'm not mistaken, rule 104 has

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2108 assigned to Wooble

2008-09-09 Thread ihope
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:35 AM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: == Equity Case 2108 == Ivan

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2108 assigned to Wooble

2008-09-09 Thread Ed Murphy
Ivan Hope wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:35 AM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: == Equity Case 2108

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: R104

2008-09-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, ihope wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:28 AM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proposal, AI=3, The First Speaker: Amend Rule 104 to read: The Speaker for the first game was Michael Norrish. E shall forever be known as First Speaker Michael.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: R104

2008-09-09 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, it's kind of a tradition, like going back in time to kill Hitler. So the moral of the story then is that those who attempt to change history are doomed to repeat it? -root

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: R104

2008-09-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, it's kind of a tradition, like going back in time to kill Hitler. So the moral of the story then is that those who attempt to change history are doomed to repeat it? I was

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The first game

2008-09-09 Thread comex
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: comex wrote: Are we in the first game, or the (number of game wins + 1)th game? The way Agora has been structured since ?1995, there is no Nth game, we're in just the game. The phrase the first game, in

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Ministering the Speaker

2008-09-09 Thread ais523
On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 14:38 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As it stands, Goethe's proposal would interfere with mine. I retract the above proposal and submit the following revision: For clarity, I retract the proposal submitted

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Ministering the Speaker

2008-09-09 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:50 PM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 14:38 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As it stands, Goethe's proposal would interfere with mine. I retract the above proposal and submit the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Prerogatives for August and September 2008

2008-09-09 Thread comex
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thought: if one is really worried about a stalemate being set up (e.g. constant vetoing or whatever) one limit might be same person can't hold same

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Prerogatives for August and September 2008

2008-09-09 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 3:21 PM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We might also just reduce the power of the veto. As I recall, it wasn't always so absolute. I would be surprised if, in the face of a rampantly vetoing Speaker, the rest of the Agorans couldn't muster the strength to pass an AI=2

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Prerogatives for August and September 2008

2008-09-09 Thread ais523
On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 17:21 -0400, comex wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thought: if one is really worried about a stalemate being set up (e.g. constant vetoing or whatever)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Prerogatives for August and September 2008

2008-09-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thought: if one is really worried about a stalemate being set up (e.g. constant vetoing or whatever) one limit might be same person can't hold same prerogative twice in a row.

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Ministering the Speaker

2008-09-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: In a timely fashion before the beginning of each month, the Speaker SHALL assign to each of as many active players who bear the patent title Champion as possible a different Prerogative for the upcoming month by announcement. Um, I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Ministering the Speaker

2008-09-09 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: In a timely fashion before the beginning of each month, the Speaker SHALL assign to each of as many active players who bear the patent title Champion as possible a

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Ministering the Speaker

2008-09-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I submit the following proposal titled Ministering the Speaker (AI=2): root, I've been meaning for some time to finish my proto that turned prerogatives back into cards, just not getting

DIS: Re: BUS: Renewal

2008-09-09 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 16:03 -0400, ihope wrote: I agree to all contracts I am currently a party to. I can't figure out what this does, if anything. Would someone care to help me out? -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Ministering the Speaker

2008-09-09 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um, I don't like this. So many of us hold the title you might as well just make it award it to Senators. -Goethe If we just remove the randomization, then the Speaker gets to assign prerogatives as e pleases, but e still has

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Ministering the Speaker

2008-09-09 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: root, I've been meaning for some time to finish my proto that turned prerogatives back into cards, just not getting around to it: http://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2008-July/012627.html

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Ministering the Speaker

2008-09-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: Also, for the record, there are currently 25 active players, 9 of whom hold the title Champion. If you want to restrict that to first-class players, then the numbers become 17 and 8. Question: under this system, once I've got the title, do I have much

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Ministering the Speaker

2008-09-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: I would support that. I had forgotten that you were working on it. Heh. working means I really should go back and look at the comments people made on that proto one day. Honestly due to RL probably won't happen this week, maybe next. -goethe

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Ministering the Speaker

2008-09-09 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question: under this system, once I've got the title, do I have much (political) incentive to try and win it again? -G. Yes. Winning makes you the Speaker, which lets you allot the prerogatives. Anyone who wants

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: R104

2008-09-09 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Sep 9, 2008, at 12:47 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, it's kind of a tradition, like going back in time to kill Hitler. So the moral of the story then is that those who attempt to