Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Caste Cycling

2008-10-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, comex wrote: > On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> (1) What changes would you like to see in my policy? > > Hmm. I think the current situation is too heavily balanced against > partnerships, but it wouldn't take much change for me to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Caste Cycling

2008-10-06 Thread comex
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (1) What changes would you like to see in my policy? Hmm. I think the current situation is too heavily balanced against partnerships, but it wouldn't take much change for me to be happy. The obvious solution is to have

DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Mad Scientist election

2008-10-06 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Oct 6, 2008, at 2:36 PM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: This message serves to initiate the Agoran Decision to choose the holder of the Mad Scientist office. The vote collector is the IADoP, and the eligible voters are the active players. The valid options are Wooble and ais523. I'm willing to giv

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Caste Cycling

2008-10-06 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Oct 6, 2008, at 12:56 PM, ehird wrote: On 6 Oct 2008, at 17:27, Kerim Aydin wrote: That's a Grand Poobah decision/policy, feel free to vote em out of office if you don't like it... -Goethe Which is exactly what me and comex are doing. In counter-argument to which: (1) What changes woul

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Caste Cycling

2008-10-06 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Oct 5, 2008, at 11:39 AM, ehird wrote: On 5 Oct 2008, at 15:03, Benjamin Schultz wrote: Demoted to Epsilon: Bayes (not first class), cdm014 (inactive). - Benjamin Schultz KE3OM Grand Poobah OscarMeyr Why do we punish partnerships with an iron first again? To favor real people in t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: How to screw up the power system (was: BUS: Namery)

2008-10-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:41 PM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The proposal would actually subtly break lots of things, as the rules > that govern proposals would be unable to give an AI 3.1 proposal an > actual power of 3.1, due to only having a power of 3 themselves. As a > result, rule 214

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: How to screw up the power system (was: BUS: Namery)

2008-10-06 Thread comex
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 2:41 PM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> There's very little practical difference betweet AI 3 and AI 3.1. If >> we're willing to allow AI 3.1 proposals to modify any rule, why not >> allow AI 3 proposals to do the same? > The proposal would actually subtly break lots o

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Caste Cycling

2008-10-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:49 PM, ehird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That was testing. It will only propose once a week in future. Still once a week too often. -root

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Mad Scientist election

2008-10-06 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2008-10-06 at 19:48 +0100, ehird wrote: > On 6 Oct 2008, at 19:36, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > > > This message serves to initiate the Agoran Decision to choose the > > holder of the Mad Scientist office. The vote collector is the IADoP, > > and the eligible voters are the active players. > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Caste Cycling

2008-10-06 Thread ehird
On 6 Oct 2008, at 19:13, Ian Kelly wrote: I for one have no objection to mistreating partnerships that spam the game with useless proposals. :-) -root That was testing. It will only propose once a week in future. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: How to screw up the power system (was: BUS: Namery)

2008-10-06 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2008-10-06 at 12:35 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:22 PM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-10-06 at 12:18 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, ehird wrote: > >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market - Broker's Report

2008-10-06 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Then how did we come to have a 50 VP surplus? It's not really a surplus; the contract was amended to only make first-class parties get 50 VP for joining after Fookiemyartung was already a party.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market - Broker's Report

2008-10-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> How did we come to have a 27 VP surplus? > > pikhq destroyed 23 VP when e left the contract very early on. Then how did we come to have a 50 VP surpl

DIS: Re: BUS: How to screw up the power system (was: BUS: Namery)

2008-10-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:22 PM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2008-10-06 at 12:18 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, ehird wrote: >> >> On 5 Oct 2008, at 14:41, Benjamin Schultz wrote: >> >>> Tha

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Notary] Contracts and Changes

2008-10-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 11:37 AM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2008-10-06 at 11:33 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:51 AM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > Name: Vote Market >> > Parties: BobTHJ, Fookiemyartug, The P2P Partnership, Goethe, comex, >> >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market - Broker's Report

2008-10-06 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How did we come to have a 27 VP surplus? pikhq destroyed 23 VP when e left the contract very early on.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Namery

2008-10-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, ehird wrote: >> On 5 Oct 2008, at 14:41, Benjamin Schultz wrote: >>> That's odd... which rule is saying that an AI=3 proposal can affect a P=4 >>> rule? >> >> Rule 2140/0 (Power=3) >> Power Controls Muta

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Caste Cycling

2008-10-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 10:49 AM, ehird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 5 Oct 2008, at 17:18, Ian Kelly wrote: >> >> I for one have no objection to being favored over partnerships. >> >> -root > > > Sure. But I object to partnerships being mistreated like that. > > comex very recently spent a lot

DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market - Broker's Report

2008-10-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > VP HOLDINGS > Party VP > --- > BobTHJ 59 > Fookiemyartug 50 > The P2P Partnership 0 > Goethe (INDEBTED) 46 > comex (IN

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: What "A Great Relief" will do

2008-10-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, ehird wrote: > On 6 Oct 2008, at 17:32, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> And "alternate" recordkeepors would be free to track entirely different >> versions of the same records. That's what unregulated means. >> >> -Goethe > > This proposal is based on the most important rule in the one

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Notary] Contracts and Changes

2008-10-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:51 AM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Name: Vote Market >> Parties: BobTHJ, Fookiemyartug, The P2P Partnership, Goethe, comex, Murphy, >> pikhq, Ivan Hope CXXVII, Wooble, Quazie, ais523, eh

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Notary] Contracts and Changes

2008-10-06 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2008-10-06 at 11:33 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:51 AM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Name: Vote Market > > Parties: BobTHJ, Fookiemyartug, The P2P Partnership, Goethe, comex, Murphy, > > pikhq, Ivan Hope CXXVII, Wooble, Quazie, ais523, ehird > > If I'

DIS: Re: OFF: [Notary] Contracts and Changes

2008-10-06 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:51 AM, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Name: Vote Market > Parties: BobTHJ, Fookiemyartug, The P2P Partnership, Goethe, comex, Murphy, > pikhq, Ivan Hope CXXVII, Wooble, Quazie, ais523, ehird If I'm not mistaken, Fookiemyartug and the P2P Partnership no longer ex

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Caste Cycling

2008-10-06 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:56 PM, ehird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Which is exactly what me and comex are doing. s/are doing/are trying to do/ I believe OscarMeyr made eir policies quite clear before the last election, as did Ivan Hope.

DIS: Re: BUS: AAA - Water Rights Enforcement

2008-10-06 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 10:27, ais523 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2008-10-06 at 08:52 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote: >> I destroy 7 WRV in ais523's possession. > If possible, I request subsidisation. > -- > ais523 > Nope...the Federal Subsidy is 11 (sorry, my last AAA report incorrectly identifi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: What "A Great Relief" will do

2008-10-06 Thread ehird
On 6 Oct 2008, at 17:32, Kerim Aydin wrote: And "alternate" recordkeepors would be free to track entirely different versions of the same records. That's what unregulated means. -Goethe This proposal is based on the most important rule in the ones left: custom. It retains the entire ru

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Caste Cycling

2008-10-06 Thread ehird
On 6 Oct 2008, at 17:27, Kerim Aydin wrote: That's a Grand Poobah decision/policy, feel free to vote em out of office if you don't like it... -Goethe Which is exactly what me and comex are doing. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Namery

2008-10-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, ehird wrote: > On 5 Oct 2008, at 14:41, Benjamin Schultz wrote: >> That's odd... which rule is saying that an AI=3 proposal can affect a P=4 >> rule? > > Rule 2140/0 (Power=3) > Power Controls Mutability > > is power 3. Thus AI=3 proposals are ominipotent. That means, in orde

DIS: Re: BUS: What "A Great Relief" will do

2008-10-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, ihope wrote: > Rule 101, "Agoran Rights and Privileges", makes reference to persons, > binding agreements, Agoran law, rules, players, regulation, formal > processes to resolve matters of controversy, judicial determinations, > fora, and deregistration, implying that these qual

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Caste Cycling

2008-10-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, ehird wrote: > On 5 Oct 2008, at 17:18, Ian Kelly wrote: >> I for one have no objection to being favored over partnerships. >> >> -root > > Sure. But I object to partnerships being mistreated like that. > > comex very recently spent a lot to give Bayes 2 votes. It's just being

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Platonic Poobah

2008-10-06 Thread ehird
On 6 Oct 2008, at 15:39, Geoffrey Spear wrote: Wouldn't the new Poobah be required to start flipping castes, starting with making someone else an Alpha and thus demoting emself? Ah I don't know much about the caste system, haven't had time to look in to it really. But I think this might be int

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Platonic Poobah

2008-10-06 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 10:35 AM, ehird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Infinite loop. > > Er, no? Wouldn't the new Poobah be required to start flipping castes, starting with making someone else an Alpha and thus demoting emself? In any case, this proposal has insufficient AI to amend R2211 so it's

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5746-5752

2008-10-06 Thread ehird
On 6 Oct 2008, at 15:37, Bayes wrote: bayes 2008-10-06 15:37:09 +0100 This is a version, by the way, not a timestamp. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Platonic Poobah

2008-10-06 Thread ehird
On 6 Oct 2008, at 15:17, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 1:31 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: and by replacing: a) Flip a player's caste to Alpha with: a) Flip a player's caste to Alpha; when a player's caste is flipped to Alpha, e becomes the

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Platonic Poobah

2008-10-06 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 1:31 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > and by replacing: > a) Flip a player's caste to Alpha > with: > a) Flip a player's caste to Alpha; when a player's caste is > flipped to Alpha, e becomes the Grand Poobah Infinite loop.

DIS: Re: BUS: Proto: Close the partnership loophole

2008-10-06 Thread ais523
On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 16:39 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: > Proto-Proposal: Close the partnership loophole > (AI = 2, please) > > [Please let me know if this would conflict with the Rests proto, in > which case one or the other of us can work out conditional merges.] No conflict. It would end up creati