DIS: Proto-contest: The Cylons of Battlestar Agora

2008-10-20 Thread Ian Kelly
The following is a proto-contest. Kudos to the Werewolves of Agora Nomic contest for providing templating. 1a) The name of this public contract is The Cylons of Battlestar Agora. 1b) The purpose of this contract is to be a contest. 1c) Any first-class person CAN become a party to this contr

DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-20 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: > [Actions in this message are meant to take place in order. If an action > fails, I intend to continue with the others regardless. Also, I intend > PBA actions to happen even if I have the number of Coins wrong.] > > I withdraw two 0 crops from the PBA. I deposit two 0 crops in the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [chaokeepor] Chao Holdings Reports

2008-10-20 Thread Ed Murphy
0x44 wrote: > Elliott Hird wrote: >> I request fnordization. >> > You request what? Quiet, you.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2172a assigned to Murphy, OscarMeyr, Sir Toby

2008-10-20 Thread Ed Murphy
OscarMeyr wrote: >> Appeal 2172a >> > > I missed this one, and I don't have the time to look at it. If > possible, I recuse myself from 2172a. It isn't, but I'll recuse the panel and assign a new one the next time I catch up on jud

DIS: Re: BUS: [chaokeepor] Chao Holdings Reports

2008-10-20 Thread 0x44
Elliott Hird wrote: I request fnordization. You request what? -- -- 0x44;

DIS: Re: BUS: Finishing songs

2008-10-20 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Oct 20, 2008, at 7:49 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: avpx: There once was a man from Agora who replied not to the public fora. His votes were submitted, but his say was omitted, though his ballots were cast in plethora. Concise, yet tells a full story. Good job. ehird:

DIS: Re: BUS: Finishing songs

2008-10-20 Thread Pavitra
On Monday 20 October 2008 06:49:17 pm Kerim Aydin wrote: > avpx: > There once was a man from Agora > who replied not to the public fora. > His votes were submitted, > but his say was omitted, > though his ballots were cast in plethora. Applause! > ehird: > (b) A Patent T

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: PBA question

2008-10-20 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Oct 20, 2008, at 7:29 PM, Joshua Boehme wrote: Having just re-subscribed, I have no clue what is happening. Seeing as how that has yet to stop me, I register as a player. In the past, I have used the nickname Elysion, and since confusion seems to abound at the present I suppose I shall

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: PBA question

2008-10-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, Joshua Boehme wrote: > Having just re-subscribed, I have no clue what is happening. Seeing as > how that has yet to stop me, I register as a player. In the past, I > have used the nickname Elysion, and since confusion seems to abound > at the present I suppose I shall conti

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Informs

2008-10-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Elliott Hird wrote: > On 21 Oct 2008, at 00:09, Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> It also means that "fishing expeditions" led by non-members armed >> with the potential name of a contract (but nothing more) should be >> discouraged by the Rules lest the means become a burden. I hope t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Informs

2008-10-20 Thread Elliott Hird
On 21 Oct 2008, at 00:09, Kerim Aydin wrote: It also means that "fishing expeditions" led by non-members armed with the potential name of a contract (but nothing more) should be discouraged by the Rules lest the means become a burden. I hope the current case does so discourage. Scam plotting

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Informs

2008-10-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, Elliott Hird wrote: > On 20 Oct 2008, at 23:32, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> Unless of course you'd rather the courts stayed out of your private >> affairs, in which case this is part of the full implications that you >> weigh when not doing something that you SHOULD. > > It was cr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Informs

2008-10-20 Thread Elliott Hird
On 20 Oct 2008, at 23:39, Kerim Aydin wrote: Bha hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Oh thanks ehird, that's sincerely the best ironic laugh I've had in this forum since you joined. I'd love for you to point out the things I've done to make that hypocritical, if you please. -- ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: The People's Bank of Agora -- like the RBoA, only communist!

2008-10-20 Thread Elliott Hird
On 20 Oct 2008, at 23:45, warrigal wrote: I withdraw as many coins as possible from the RBoA. Thanks a bunch. More unknown gamestate. Sigh. We need BobTHJ's report. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Informs

2008-10-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, Elliott Hird wrote: > It was created in Agora. It is bound by the rules of Agora. Agora is not a > host > for your > personal ninja club any more than incidentally. They're not your "private > affairs". Bha hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. O

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Informs

2008-10-20 Thread Elliott Hird
On 20 Oct 2008, at 23:32, Kerim Aydin wrote: Unless of course you'd rather the courts stayed out of your private affairs, in which case this is part of the full implications that you weigh when not doing something that you SHOULD. I'm please that the UNDEAD (*if* it exists, its existence I neit

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Informs

2008-10-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, Alex Smith wrote: > This is, of course, why you SHOULD inform the Notary; so that judicial > cases with respect to the contract can go through expediently. Actually, it occurs to me that "informing the Notary of parties" != "informing the Notary on how to contact parties".

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Informs

2008-10-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, Alex Smith wrote: > Well, the way it used to be was that the judge did informs, and the > Notary informed them of the parties. A proposal a while back introduced > a bug in this by changing the informs from the judge to the CotC (it was > after I joined, so quite recent). This

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Informs

2008-10-20 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 15:14 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 22:02 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: > >> I inform the parties to the following contracts of the following equity > >> cases, and invite them to submit arguments regarding the equitabil

DIS: Re: BUS: Informs

2008-10-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, Alex Smith wrote: > On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 22:02 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: >> I inform the parties to the following contracts of the following equity >> cases, and invite them to submit arguments regarding the equitability of >> the situation: >> UNDEAD >> http://zenith.homelin

DIS: An obvious request to BobTHJ

2008-10-20 Thread Elliott Hird
BobTHJ - please publish an RBoA report as soon as possible, because I don't think anyone really knows the current state of it. Be sure to read ais523's interpretation email, ofc. But yes, we really need to know. (So that everyone can evacuate quicker, naturally. ;-) ) -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Docket

2008-10-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, Elliott Hird wrote: > On 20 Oct 2008, at 23:01, Charles Reiss wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 22:22, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> [snip] >>> 2223 ais523UNDEAD PT ends 10/23 05:02:46 >> >> Claim of Error: ais523 is not a party to

DIS: PBA Calculations

2008-10-20 Thread Alex Smith
These are the calculations I went through (with ehird and Wooble helping) to figure out the effect my recent asset-shifting had on the PBA. The effect on the RBoA is more complicated and open to interpretation, and I haven't worked out what happened there. Of course, the exchange rates at the bot

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Docket

2008-10-20 Thread Elliott Hird
On 20 Oct 2008, at 23:01, Charles Reiss wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 22:22, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] 2223 ais523UNDEAD PT ends 10/23 05:02:46 Claim of Error: ais523 is not a party to UNDEAD and it is not a pledge, so this case was not in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Converging the gamestates

2008-10-20 Thread Elliott Hird
On 20 Oct 2008, at 22:37, Elliott Hird wrote: On 20 Oct 2008, at 21:22, warrigal wrote: I withdraw as many coins as possible from the RBoA. --Warrigal of Escher Scratch that. This fails, you are not a Comrade. -- ehird Actually, if you specified an actual chit value they would be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Converging the gamestates

2008-10-20 Thread Elliott Hird
On 20 Oct 2008, at 21:22, warrigal wrote: I withdraw as many coins as possible from the RBoA. --Warrigal of Escher Scratch that. This fails, you are not a Comrade. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Note exchange and PBA stuff

2008-10-20 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 16:21 -0500, Pavitra wrote: > On Monday 20 October 2008 12:02:55 pm Alex Smith wrote: > > I join the Note Exchange. I fill the open Buy Ticket to create Note > > Markers. (How many do I have to create?). > > If you're referring to my Crescendo ticket, then it's six different

DIS: Re: BUS: Note exchange and PBA stuff

2008-10-20 Thread Pavitra
On Monday 20 October 2008 12:02:55 pm Alex Smith wrote: > I join the Note Exchange. I fill the open Buy Ticket to create Note > Markers. (How many do I have to create?). If you're referring to my Crescendo ticket, then it's six different pitches, but there's a pledge involved too. The message is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Converging the gamestates

2008-10-20 Thread Elliott Hird
On 20 Oct 2008, at 21:22, warrigal wrote: I withdraw as many coins as possible from the RBoA. --Warrigal of Escher I have absolutely no idea how many this is due to the recent stuff. Anyone know? -- ehird

Re: DIS: Proto-contract: The Agoran Fast Food Society

2008-10-20 Thread Pavitra
On Sunday 19 October 2008 11:02:20 am warrigal wrote: > (Did I mention that I was expecting you guys to pick random > positive integers rather than using random bits elsewhere? Oh well. > And Pavitra, do you have an existing program that's capable of > finding Potatoes?) I used Hashcash, before yo

Re: DIS: Proto: Spelling abuse capitalisation VLOP

2008-10-20 Thread Pavitra
On Monday 20 October 2008 07:58:15 am Alex Smith wrote: > An eligible word is any word which occurs in a Rule, and/or any > word defined in a well-known English dictionary. I'd rather have it just be the Rules. We don't have to deal with ambiguous dictionaries, and there'll be maneouvreing to pas

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Converging the gamestates

2008-10-20 Thread Elliott Hird
On 20 Oct 2008, at 21:10, Ian Kelly wrote: There were 75 deposited by Pavitra, 75 deposited by Wooble, and 663 from the scam. What am I missing? -root Thanks. I missed Pavitra's. Fixed. RBoA has 850 coins. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Converging the gamestates

2008-10-20 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 14:10 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Elliott Hird > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 20 Oct 2008, at 20:39, Ian Kelly wrote: > >> > >> By my calculations, the RBoA has at least 813 coins and very little > >> else. That make coins worth more th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Converging the gamestates

2008-10-20 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 20 Oct 2008, at 20:39, Ian Kelly wrote: >> >> By my calculations, the RBoA has at least 813 coins and very little >> else. That make coins worth more than 20 chits apiece. >> >> I believe I have 4337 chits. I withdraw

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5794-5802

2008-10-20 Thread Taral
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 5797 D 1 2.0 Taral Office with care > FOR, even though I think it's a no-op Not a no-op. Second-class players now must consent regardless of when they were nominated. -- Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Please let

DIS: Re: BUS: Converging the gamestates

2008-10-20 Thread Elliott Hird
On 20 Oct 2008, at 20:39, Ian Kelly wrote: By my calculations, the RBoA has at least 813 coins and very little else. That make coins worth more than 20 chits apiece. I believe I have 4337 chits. I withdraw 394 coins for 4334 chits; if I have fewer chits than 4334, then I withdraw as many coin

DIS: Re: BUS: Converging the gamestates

2008-10-20 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 13:39 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If the PBA has exactly six X crops, I withdraw two X crops from the PBA. > > > > I deposit all my Coins in the RBoA, for an appropriate number of Chits. > > By my calcul

DIS: Re: BUS: [chaokeepor] Chao Holdings Reports

2008-10-20 Thread warrigal
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 20 Oct 2008, at 13:58, Geoffrey Spear wrote: >> The following is a list of the assets tracked by the Outer Head of the >> Agoran Illuminati and holdings of each. >> >> The Sacred Chao: owned by Wooble >> >> chaos: >> 0x44

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-20 Thread Elliott Hird
On 20 Oct 2008, at 19:32, Ian Kelly wrote: Can somebody post the current PBA rates and holdings? -root ais is kindly working them out for me. I recommend that you change all your chits into coins soon, as I believe the RBoA is now effectively worthless. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-20 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 12:32 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: > Can somebody post the current PBA rates and holdings? > I'm trying to work them out right now. I think there are as many as 6 different possibilities for what happened, due to typos in my scam... -- ais523

DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-20 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [Actions in this message are meant to take place in order. If an action > fails, I intend to continue with the others regardless. Also, I intend > PBA actions to happen even if I have the number of Coins wrong.] > > I withdra

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 2220

2008-10-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> When I go to that website, I see a series >> of scripts. It would be quite possible for me to click on one of those >> scripts and unknowingly take an action. It is quite possi

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 2220

2008-10-20 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When I go to that website, I see a series > of scripts. It would be quite possible for me to click on one of those > scripts and unknowingly take an action. It is quite possible that it > is IMPOSSIBLE to join perlnomic as

DIS: Re: BUS: Bank run, hopefully working this time

2008-10-20 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 18:53 +0100, Alex Smith wrote: > [Actions in this message are meant to take place in order. If an action > fails, I intend to continue with the others regardless. Also, I intend > PBA actions to happen even if I have the number of Coins wrong.] > > I withdraw two 0 crops from

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 2220

2008-10-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, Alex Smith wrote: > It's now possible to become a member of the PNP by, and only by, > performing an action in PerlNomic that causes activity. All such actions > require knowledge of the member in question's PerlNomic username and > password, and active free will by someone to

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2229 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-10-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008, Alex Smith wrote: > Therefore, the only situation in which I don't have to be informed is if > UNDEAD is not a contract at all. You mean to say, the only reason you SHOULD not be informed is if the would-be informers have weighed the consequences of doing so. -G.

DIS: Re: BUS: The UNDAD

2008-10-20 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 20:06 -0400, ihope wrote: > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 5:01 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I create the following contract: > > { > > 1. This is a public contract called the UNDAD. > > 2. Anyone can join this contract by announcement. Joining this > > contract is known

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Deflating coins and inflating crops

2008-10-20 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I intent to amend the PBA by adding: {After this section takes effect, the > RBoA ceases > to be a member of this contract, then this section is repealed.} I object. The RBoA should be free to put itself in a position to l

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: PBA question

2008-10-20 Thread Elliott Hird
On 20 Oct 2008, at 14:07, Geoffrey Spear wrote: I do agree that the existing coins in the PBA's possession should be destroyed, and that withdrawing assets should involve the destruction of coins rather than transfer to the PBA. Feel free to write a different draft, I'm amending it enough as-i

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: PBA question

2008-10-20 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With the support of The People I intend to amend the PBA like so: I object. I'd prefer to leave the lost & found department out of it, and have coins created in the possession of the PBA when anyone destroys them without m

DIS: Proto: Spelling abuse capitalisation VLOP

2008-10-20 Thread Alex Smith
Ah, a Bayes title so good I had to make a proto around it. Maybe it wouldn't be a good idea to do this immediately, but let us explore the corner cases of Caste first; on the other hand, if people don't like Caste, this might be something interesting to replace it with. (It also reminds me a lot of

DIS: Re: BUS: Email problems

2008-10-20 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 4:17 AM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (However, Normish seems to be spam-blacklisted for > some unknown reason; therefore, I can't send from it in such a way that > other people will receive. This has been known to cause the mailing > lists to stop sending to it b

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Contestmaster Points

2008-10-20 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For the > record, Quazie and comex were the werewolves, and root was the seer. For the record, you guys lynched me for nominating comex.

DIS: Re: BUS: Email problems

2008-10-20 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 09:17 +0100, Alex Smith wrote: > bham.ac.uk is having email problems at the moment; I can send emails, > but haven't been able to receive any since about 13:00UTC on Friday. > I've been reading Agora email since by looking at TNP2's inbox (thanks, > TNP2, for that), but this m

Re: DIS: PBA question

2008-10-20 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 00:09 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: > On 19 Oct 2008, at 23:52, Ian Kelly wrote: > > The number in circulation should be equal to the number required to > > withdraw everything. If there are extra coins in circulation, the > > excess are worthless. If there are insufficient coi

Re: DIS: Proto-contract: The Agoran Fast Food Society

2008-10-20 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2008-10-19 at 12:39 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 11:12 AM, warrigal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A Potato is any string whose SHA-523 hash > > I don't think I've heard of that one... > > -root Neither have I, but I'm going to have to invent it now, given my name. A