Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fix Floor-crossing

2009-10-26 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: > Ed Murphy wrote: >> Dammit, and I just finished debugging the vote-recording script >> a couple hours ago, too. > > Well, on the plus side you can stop recording people's Chamber and Rests > and Extra Votes at the start of the voting period, and the logic remains > valid. Right

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fix Floor-crossing

2009-10-26 Thread Sean Hunt
Ed Murphy wrote: Dammit, and I just finished debugging the vote-recording script a couple hours ago, too. Well, on the plus side you can stop recording people's Chamber and Rests and Extra Votes at the start of the voting period, and the logic remains valid. PHP rant: Why doesn't this wo

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fix Floor-crossing

2009-10-26 Thread Sean Hunt
Ed Murphy wrote: Dammit, and I just finished debugging the vote-recording script a couple hours ago, too. Well, on the plus side you can stop recording people's Chamber and Rests and Extra Votes at the start of the voting period, and the logic remains valid. PHP rant: Why doesn't this wo

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fix Floor-crossing

2009-10-26 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: > comex wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: >>> Proposal: More Voting Fun (AI=2, II=0) >>> {{{ >>> In the fifth paragraph of Rule 2156, replace the second sentence with "The >>> voting limit >> This removed the word "initial"; is this intentional? Why "Fix

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Pool report

2009-10-26 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > That was your call. To be guilty, "the Accused could have reasonably avoided > committing the breach without committing a different breach of equal or > greater severity". It would be unreasonable for the Promotor to have to find > every proposal

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Pool report

2009-10-26 Thread Sean Hunt
Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: == Promotor's Proposal Pool Report == Date of this report: Tue 27 Oct 2009 Date of last report: Sun 27 Sep 2009 Pool last ratified: 21 Oct, ratified on 26 Oct Number of Proposals: 45 Distributable proposals: More V

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fix Floor-crossing

2009-10-26 Thread Sean Hunt
comex wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: Proposal: More Voting Fun (AI=2, II=0) {{{ In the fifth paragraph of Rule 2156, replace the second sentence with "The voting limit This removed the word "initial"; is this intentional? Why "Fix Floor-crossing"? Yes. As it stands

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Pool report

2009-10-26 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > == Promotor's Proposal Pool Report == > > Date of this report: Tue 27 Oct 2009 > Date of last report: Sun 27 Sep 2009 > Pool last ratified: 21 Oct, ratified on 26 Oct > > Number of Proposals: 45 > > Distributable proposals: > More Voting Fu

DIS: Re: BUS: Fix Floor-crossing

2009-10-26 Thread comex
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > Proposal: More Voting Fun (AI=2, II=0) > {{{ > In the fifth paragraph of Rule 2156, replace the second sentence with "The > voting limit This removed the word "initial"; is this intentional? Why "Fix Floor-crossing"? -- -c.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [IBA] changing the rates

2009-10-26 Thread comex
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: >> Dunce Cap       0 >> > What about having a negative rate for this one? See the motion I just posted :) -- -c.

DIS: Re: BUS: [IBA] changing the rates

2009-10-26 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/10/27 comex : > I intend, without two objections in 48 hours, to effect the following Rate > List: > [Added new cards, changed relative deck cost and card values based on > actual usage patterns.] > > asset           rate (zm) > -- > > (...) > > Dunce Cap       0 > Wha

Re: DIS: Request for BobTHJ

2009-10-26 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 16:47, Roger Hicks wrote: > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 16:30, comex wrote: >> Do you have a copy of the card history on your website not trimmed to >> the last month? >> > You can use the following variables in the querystring: > > time - specify an integer number of days, th

Re: DIS: Request for BobTHJ

2009-10-26 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 16:30, comex wrote: > Do you have a copy of the card history on your website not trimmed to > the last month? > You can use the following variables in the querystring: time - specify an integer number of days, the history section will include the specified number of days o

DIS: Request for BobTHJ

2009-10-26 Thread comex
Do you have a copy of the card history on your website not trimmed to the last month? -- -c.

Re: DIS: This whole proposal pool ratification

2009-10-26 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > Have I got something wrong, or did we ratify into existence in the > pool proposals that were distributed six weeks before the ratification > intent was even published? If so, is there any way to remove them > except by the authors? > > --

DIS: This whole proposal pool ratification

2009-10-26 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
Have I got something wrong, or did we ratify into existence in the pool proposals that were distributed six weeks before the ratification intent was even published? If so, is there any way to remove them except by the authors? -- -Tiger

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Accountor] Salaries & Hand Limits

2009-10-26 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 13:44, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: >> Walker                        10 > >> Wooble                         7  Change Justice Justice Government > > I intend, with the support of the people, to cause the PBA to publish > an No

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements

2009-10-26 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 15:41 -0400, comex wrote: > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:15 PM, ais523 wrote: > > On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 11:40 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: > >> The domain of the argument is whether or not this opportunity was > >> "reasonable", by whatever standards we might determine it. Just as >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements

2009-10-26 Thread comex
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:15 PM, ais523 wrote: > On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 11:40 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: >> The domain of the argument is whether or not this opportunity was >> "reasonable", by whatever standards we might determine it.  Just as >> it would be possible but probably unreasonable for som

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements

2009-10-26 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 11:40 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: > The domain of the argument is whether or not this opportunity was > "reasonable", by whatever standards we might determine it. Just as > it would be possible but probably unreasonable for someone to catch a > with-notice intent buried in the mi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2718 assigned to coppro

2009-10-26 Thread comex
Why do you think coppro could or would have a set of beliefs differing from the truth? It seems to me that e would believe the statement is indeterminate, reducing this to yet another Epimenides. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 26, 2009, at 1:36 PM, ais523 wrote: On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 13:2

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2718 assigned to coppro

2009-10-26 Thread comex
It's not obviously false to me... if anything, it's somewhere between undecidable and true. It depends on how you define an undecidable statement, really, but I don't see how it would be false. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 26, 2009, at 1:36 PM, ais523 wrote: On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 13:28 -

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements

2009-10-26 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: > On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 10:49 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: >> I believe that argument is only valid within a certain scope. In >> particular, consider it in conjunction with G.'s gratuitous arguments >> in the same case; there was certainly reasonable opportunity to review >> the possibi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements

2009-10-26 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 10:49 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: > I believe that argument is only valid within a certain scope. In > particular, consider it in conjunction with G.'s gratuitous arguments > in the same case; there was certainly reasonable opportunity to review > the possibility of a loophole in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements

2009-10-26 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: > On Sun, 2009-10-25 at 10:15 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: >> 2698: TRUE >> >> I accept the caller's arguments, but also c.'s gratuitous arguments; >> in particular, ais523's "I intend to amend via various objection-based >> methods" did not necessarily offer a reasonable opportunity to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2718 assigned to coppro

2009-10-26 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 13:28 -0400, comex wrote: > Doesn't matter. If coppro knows e will cease to be a person before > 2215 is next amended, e can judge FALSE without affecting the truth > value of anything. If e knows e will remain a person, it's plainly > UNDECIDABLE albeit almost certain

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2718 assigned to coppro

2009-10-26 Thread comex
Doesn't matter. If coppro knows e will cease to be a person before 2215 is next amended, e can judge FALSE without affecting the truth value of anything. If e knows e will remain a person, it's plainly UNDECIDABLE albeit almost certainly arising from the case itself. (if the statement i

DIS: Re: BUS: BobTHJ's Actions (automated)

2009-10-26 Thread comex
Sent from my iPhone On Oct 26, 2009, at 1:00 PM, ais523 wrote: I play my Drop Your Weapon to destroy coppro's Presto!. (As far as I can tell, this is the best use for Drop Your Weapons in the game.) i prefer major arcana

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2718 assigned to coppro

2009-10-26 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 10:57 -0400, comex wrote: > If the judge is not a person it's definitely legal because nonpersons > are not barred from lying. If e is, it's undecidable or not > unambiguously legal. So, undetermined. I think you're missing the point behind the paradox. The statement of t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2718 assigned to coppro

2009-10-26 Thread comex
If the judge is not a person it's definitely legal because nonpersons are not barred from lying. If e is, it's undecidable or not unambiguously legal. So, undetermined. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 26, 2009, at 8:30 AM, ais523 wrote: On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 08:25 -0400, comex wrote: Impos

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2718 assigned to coppro

2009-10-26 Thread Sean Hunt
Sean Hunt wrote: ais523 wrote: I intend, with 2 support, to appeal this judgement, for two reasons. First, the arguments do not show that the judgement actually depends on the condition stated (e.g. if the statement is TRUE both ways round, then UNDETERMINED is inappropriate). Secondly, coppro (

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2718 assigned to coppro

2009-10-26 Thread Sean Hunt
ais523 wrote: I intend, with 2 support, to appeal this judgement, for two reasons. First, the arguments do not show that the judgement actually depends on the condition stated (e.g. if the statement is TRUE both ways round, then UNDETERMINED is inappropriate). Secondly, coppro (the actual judge;

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2718 assigned to coppro

2009-10-26 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 08:25 -0400, comex wrote: > Impossible things can still be legal/illegal. I don't see your point. My point is that UNDETERMINED is only appropriate if it would be, say, legal if possible and illegal if impossible, or the other way round. coppro needs to demonstrate this for t

Re: DIS: Proto: The Citrine Repeals

2009-10-26 Thread comex
FWIW, my R101 proto effectively had a weaker version of this: you have the privilege (must be explicitly waived) to refuse to agree to an amendment. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 26, 2009, at 12:33 AM, Sean Hunt wrote: Aaron Goldfein wrote: Right, so what if we just said that players must a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2718 assigned to coppro

2009-10-26 Thread comex
Impossible things can still be legal/illegal. I don't see your point. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 26, 2009, at 8:08 AM, ais523 wrote: On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 07:55 -0400, comex wrote: there are several ways e could cease to be a person. But if e did, e couldn't send email, by definition, so

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2718 assigned to coppro

2009-10-26 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 07:55 -0400, comex wrote: > there are several ways e could cease to be a person. But if e did, e couldn't send email, by definition, so the point is moot. -- ais523

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2718 assigned to coppro

2009-10-26 Thread comex
there are several ways e could cease to be a person. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 26, 2009, at 6:54 AM, ais523 wrote: On Sun, 2009-10-25 at 11:26 -0600, Sean Hunt wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: [coppro is hovering, but the only criminal cases requiring a judge are 2721-23 which e initiated.] Det

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements

2009-10-26 Thread comex
No they don't, see my gratuitous arguments in 2698. We had reasonable notice of the amendment (i.e., "replace the entire text with blah"), but not necessarily of the intent (I intend, without objection, to amend Points Party by replacing the entire text with blah), because there was one ame

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements

2009-10-26 Thread ais523
On Sun, 2009-10-25 at 10:15 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: > 2698: TRUE > > I accept the caller's arguments, but also c.'s gratuitous arguments; > in particular, ais523's "I intend to amend via various objection-based > methods" did not necessarily offer a reasonable opportunity to review > the notice-b

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements

2009-10-26 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: > Not that I think you've been unfair, but did you consider my argument > for NOT GUILTY via implicit announcement? The NOVs were announced in > the Insulator report, and by assigning them ID numbers I implicitly > declared their validity. I think this does satisfy the requirement in