Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6542 - 6547

2009-11-09 Thread Ed Murphy
Sgeo wrote: --- ID: 6545 Title: Because E's Worth It Author: coppro AI: 3.0 II: 1 Chamber: Red Bestow unto Murphy the title of Hero of Agora Nomic.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6549-6564

2009-11-09 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: 6569  1   1.0  coppro           Green    Quorum Busted 6560  1   1.0  coppro           Green    Anjusty 6561  1   1.0  coppro           Green    Contests Should Reward Themselves 6562  1   1.0  coppro           Green    

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6549-6564

2009-11-09 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: 6569 1 1.0 coppro GreenQuorum Busted 6560 1 1.0 coppro GreenAnjusty 6561 1 1.0 coppro GreenContests Should Reward Themselves 6562 1 1.0 coppro

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6549-6564

2009-11-09 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote:  (If this happened a lot, then things would eventually tilt toward by now you should be automating or paying more attention.) Considering how often it happened the last time we had a non-automated promotor, I'd expect

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2696 assigned to G.

2009-11-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, ais523 wrote: I'm also worried that the whole concept of qualified notice is a massive can of worms; it would seem to allow contract changes to /platonically/ depend on ambiguity, which allows typical Gnarly Contract scams, as well as muddling the waters in general.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2696 assigned to G.

2009-11-09 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 09:00 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, ais523 wrote: I'm also worried that the whole concept of qualified notice is a massive can of worms; it would seem to allow contract changes to /platonically/ depend on ambiguity, which allows typical Gnarly

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2696 assigned to G.

2009-11-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, ais523 wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 09:00 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, ais523 wrote: I'm also worried that the whole concept of qualified notice is a massive can of worms; it would seem to allow contract changes to /platonically/ depend on ambiguity,

DIS: Re: BUS: proposal: minor office shinkage

2009-11-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
[Since it's the popular will to devalue distributability, why should I suffer from conscience?] On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: I submit the following proposal Herald tracks dishonor, AI=2 please: I withdraw the above proposal. I submit the following proposal Herald tracks dishonor,

DIS: let's shrink the ruleset...

2009-11-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
Hey c., If you don't propose and distribute those citrine repeals, I'll do it... let's get this ruleset shrunk (or at least propose it)! -G.

Re: DIS: let's shrink the ruleset...

2009-11-09 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: If you don't propose and distribute those citrine repeals, I'll do it... let's get this ruleset shrunk (or at least propose it)! proto: adopt B's ruleset, then re-agorify it.

Re: DIS: let's shrink the ruleset...

2009-11-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: If you don't propose and distribute those citrine repeals, I'll do it... let's get this ruleset shrunk (or at least propose it)! proto: adopt B's ruleset, then re-agorify

Re: DIS: let's shrink the ruleset...

2009-11-09 Thread Craig Daniel
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: If you don't propose and distribute those citrine repeals, I'll do it... let's get this ruleset shrunk (or at least propose it)! proto: adopt

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6549-6564

2009-11-09 Thread Ed Murphy
Tiger wrote: I vote as follows, casting each vote 5 times if it's a Green decision and 3 times if it's a Red one: FYI your VLOP is 5 for Green, 1 for Red, 2 for Purple.

DIS: Re: BUS: Stepping Down

2009-11-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, comex wrote: Proposal: Citrine Card Repeal (AI=2) Hey hey hey, the previous citrine repeals were more than just cards! Not gonna get my vote on some without the whole... Also, just a reflection. When we wrote the great repeals, we wrote it because the gameplay is slowing.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2696 assigned to G.

2009-11-09 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 09:30 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, ais523 wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 09:00 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, ais523 wrote: I'm also worried that the whole concept of qualified notice is a massive can of worms; it would seem to allow

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2696 assigned to G.

2009-11-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, ais523 wrote: I mean the first; and without 3 objections was one of the options I gave, so you need to show that there were three objections (in the contract's warped sense of objection), not just one. Just one of those loose ends that needs tidying up before we can

Re: DIS: let's shrink the ruleset...

2009-11-09 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: If you don't propose and distribute those citrine repeals, I'll do it... let's get this ruleset shrunk (or at least propose it)! proto: adopt B's ruleset, then re-agorify it. DO NOT WANT

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2696 assigned to G.

2009-11-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, ais523 wrote: I mean the first; and without 3 objections was one of the options I gave, so you need to show that there were three objections (in the contract's warped sense of objection), not just one. Just one of those loose ends

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Stepping Down

2009-11-09 Thread comex
Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2009, at 1:53 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, comex wrote: Proposal: Citrine Card Repeal (AI=2) Hey hey hey, the previous citrine repeals were more than just cards! Not gonna get my vote on some without the whole... I was

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Stepping Down

2009-11-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, comex wrote: On Nov 9, 2009, at 1:53 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, comex wrote: Proposal: Citrine Card Repeal (AI=2) Hey hey hey, the previous citrine repeals were more than just cards! Not gonna get my vote on some without the

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6542 - 6547

2009-11-09 Thread Sgeo
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:16 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Sgeo wrote: --- ID: 6545 Title: Because E's Worth It Author: coppro AI: 3.0 II: 1 Chamber: Red Bestow unto Murphy the title of Hero of Agora

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2696 assigned to G.

2009-11-09 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: I mean the first; and without 3 objections was one of the options I gave, so you need to show that there were three objections (in the contract's warped sense of objection), not just one. Just one of those loose ends that needs tidying up before we can finally put this case to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2696 assigned to G.

2009-11-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: I mean the first; and without 3 objections was one of the options I gave, so you need to show that there were three objections (in the contract's warped sense of objection), not just one. Just one of those loose ends that needs tidying up

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2696 assigned to G.

2009-11-09 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 12:05 -0800, Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: I mean the first; and without 3 objections was one of the options I gave, so you need to show that there were three objections (in the contract's warped sense of objection), not just one. Just one of those loose ends that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Stepping Down

2009-11-09 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/11/9 comex com...@gmail.com: Anyone up for mafia? to avoid a repeat of Werewolves, we can increase the pace. One day per real-life day would be fun. I'm in, but not right now. However, when NaNoWriMo ends I'll start looking over my fluxx contest again, and I'd be happy to join other

DIS: Re: BUS: Stepping Down

2009-11-09 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Roger Hicks pidge...@gmail.com wrote: I have decided to cease maintaining nomic.bob-space.com and step back from Agora for a bit. I will attempt to do so without leaving things in a state of dissarray. My site is updated through Tue, Nov 3 23:34, just prior to

DIS: Re: BUS: proposal: minor office shinkage (fwd)

2009-11-09 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: And to the PF even: On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: I submit the following proposal Herald tracks dishonor, AI=2 please: I withdraw the above proposal. I submit the following proposal Herald tracks dishonor,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Stepping Down

2009-11-09 Thread comex
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: (also, now that I look, I believe the list of parties to be inaccurate. If this is fatal to the intiation of the case, I request that H. Notary c. issue an amended version of eir report, from which I got this list. It is eir

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proposal: minor office shinkage (fwd)

2009-11-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: Let's just get rid of NoVs altogether and initiate criminal cases directly from offenses, and giving the accused the additional option of judging their own case GUILTY/SILENCE with at least as many Rests as the power of the rule or GUILTY/TIME OUT. Sure,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proposal: minor office shinkage (fwd)

2009-11-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: Let's just get rid of NoVs altogether and initiate criminal cases directly from offenses, and giving the accused the additional option of judging their own case GUILTY/SILENCE with at least as many Rests as the power of the rule or GUILTY/TIME OUT. ps.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proposal: minor office shinkage (fwd)

2009-11-09 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: Let's just get rid of NoVs altogether and initiate criminal cases directly from offenses, and giving the accused the additional option of judging their own case GUILTY/SILENCE with

Re: DIS: let's shrink the ruleset...

2009-11-09 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/11/9 Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu: Hey c., If you don't propose and distribute those citrine repeals, I'll do it... let's get this ruleset shrunk (or at least propose it)! -G. i guess nobody is in a hurry to distribute *my* mass-repeal proposal huh :D

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proposal: minor office shinkage (fwd)

2009-11-09 Thread comex
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: ps.  the system is not just to give the defendant the time to declare emself guilty; it's so e gets the time to consider and post eir defense of innocence (with some officer help, it's possible for the case to go from

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proposal: minor office shinkage (fwd)

2009-11-09 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:00 PM, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: ps.  the system is not just to give the defendant the time to declare emself guilty; it's so e gets the time to consider and post eir defense of innocence

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2730 assigned to coppro

2009-11-09 Thread Sean Hunt
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2730 ==  Criminal Case 2730 (Interest Index = 0)  ===    c. violated Rule 2253 (Power-2) by creating the card Presto! in    eir

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Stepping Down

2009-11-09 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Roger Hicks pidge...@gmail.com wrote: Also, as arguments for this case I'd like to point out that I did coppro a favor by not awarding eir points before, since (unless a skunk is declared, which I OBJECT to coppro's attempt to do, this wasn't a scammed win by

DIS: Re: BUS: Why do we have this guy anyway?

2009-11-09 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote: Proposal: alt.office.accountor.die.die.die (AI=1, II=0) {{{ Repeal Rule 2181 (The Accountor). }}} IMO we have this guy because the report defined by that rule is a useful list of all the bits of the economy that a player might be interested in.

DIS: Re: BUS: herald power

2009-11-09 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I submit the following proposal, Herald Decorations, AI-1 and disinterested.  I make it distributable. --- Amend Rule 2199 (Ribbons) by

DIS: proto: criminal re-write

2009-11-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
Proto (coppro coauthor). Taking the simple approach of condensing NoV process. Doesn't mess with criminal cases after that (appeals etc.). -- Repeal Rule 2230 (Notices of Violation). Amend Rule 1504 (Criminal Cases) by

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: herald power

2009-11-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Aaron Goldfein wrote: I'd don't see the issue with having many low-burden offices rather than fewer higher burden ones. Uh, election overhead, vacant offices, lots of disparate records in places... but it's really a matter of adjusting the responsibilities to the current

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: let's shrink the ruleset...

2009-11-09 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/11/9 Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com: If I have any, I spend a Distrib-u-matic to make Stoma Moats of Atoms distributable. Didn't I do that? Hmm.

DIS: Re: BUS: Stepping Down

2009-11-09 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/11/9 Roger Hicks pidge...@gmail.com: I have decided to cease maintaining nomic.bob-space.com and step back from Agora for a bit. I have a strange feeling of déjà vu...

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6542 - 6547

2009-11-09 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:16 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Sgeo wrote: --- ID: 6545 Title: Because E's Worth It Author: coppro AI: 3.0 II: 1 Chamber: Red Bestow unto Murphy the title of Hero of

Re: DIS: proto: criminal re-write

2009-11-09 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Proto (coppro coauthor).  Taking the simple approach of condensing NoV process.  Doesn't mess with criminal cases after that (appeals etc.). I'll take a look at this when I get home. Also, c. and G., what say you to,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Why do we have this guy anyway?

2009-11-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: coppro wrote: Proposal: alt.office.accountor.die.die.die (AI=1, II=0) {{{ Repeal Rule 2181 (The Accountor). }}} IMO we have this guy because the report defined by that rule is a useful list of all the bits of the economy that a player might be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Stepping Down

2009-11-09 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 15:09, Elliott Hird penguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/11/9 Roger Hicks pidge...@gmail.com: I have decided to cease maintaining nomic.bob-space.com and step back from Agora for a bit. I have a strange feeling of déjà vu... Ahh, ehirdI knew you wouldn't let

Re: DIS: proto: criminal re-write

2009-11-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Proto (coppro coauthor).  Taking the simple approach of condensing NoV process.  Doesn't mess with criminal cases after that (appeals etc.). I'll take a look at this when I get

Re: DIS: proto: criminal re-write

2009-11-09 Thread comex
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: ps.  no one mentioned it, so does anyone but me happen to know the source for admiral of the navy joke (it's reasonably obscure). Nope, but I was planning to have fun with the shelling if only I could get the card... --

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Stepping Down

2009-11-09 Thread Sean Hunt
It's less than one week of backlog, FYI. BobTHJ Two. Your last reports were on October 26, except for your posting of what cards people were owed (a reminder to recordkeepors, including myself, that draws earned need to be posted). -coppro

DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Census

2009-11-09 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: Registrar's Census This report now includes player Salary. -coppro

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Stepping Down

2009-11-09 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 16:11, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: It's less than one week of backlog, FYI. BobTHJ Two. Your last reports were on October 26, except for your posting of what cards people were owed (a reminder to recordkeepors, including myself, that draws earned need to be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Stepping Down

2009-11-09 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Roger Hicks wrote: My site contains accurate reports and data up to the recent assessor report that resolved your dealing refactor proposal (Nov 3). If you'd like I'll send unofficial copies of those reports to the list. As new herald and insulator I would appreciate a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Stepping Down

2009-11-09 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/11/9 Roger Hicks pidge...@gmail.com: Ahh, ehirdI knew you wouldn't let me down. I'm here all week!

Re: DIS: proto: criminal re-write

2009-11-09 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: The Clerk of the Courts SHALL NOT assign a judge to a criminal case until 4 days have passed from its initiation, to give This only gives the CotC a 3-day window to assign a judge. How about: The initiation of a criminal case begins its pre-trial phase,

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 6542 - 6547

2009-11-09 Thread Ed Murphy
Yally wrote: I always figured you would become a Grand Hero after you died. Yes, well, hopefully that's at least a few decades off.

DIS: Re: OFF: Anarchist Election is FAILING QUORUM

2009-11-09 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: If you have not yet voted in the Anarchist Election, you are hereby HUMILIATED and expected to cast a vote. -coppro Who are the candidates?

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Anarchist Election is FAILING QUORUM

2009-11-09 Thread Sean Hunt
Aaron Goldfein wrote: On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: If you have not yet voted in the Anarchist Election, you are hereby HUMILIATED and expected to cast a vote. -coppro Who are the candidates? Myself and BobTHJ. -coppro

DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Grand Poobah Election

2009-11-09 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: This message serves to resolve the election for the holder of the office of Ambassador. There are no eligible candidates; it remains empty. -coppro You mean Grand Poobah.

DIS: Re: BUS: Deregistrations

2009-11-09 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/11/9 Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com: I intend, without objection, to deregister People's Bank of Agora. Alas

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Anarchist Election is FAILING QUORUM

2009-11-09 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Aaron Goldfein wrote: On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote: If you have not yet voted in the Anarchist Election, you are hereby HUMILIATED and expected to cast a vote. -coppro Who are

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Anarchist Election is FAILING QUORUM

2009-11-09 Thread Sean Hunt
Kerim Aydin wrote: I vote coppro (if I re-joined before the election started). -G. Eligibility to vote in an election is not fixed at the start of the voting period. Does that count as an annotation or a conditional vote? -coppro

DIS: Re: BUS: Deregistrations

2009-11-09 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: I intend, without objection, to deregister Taral. please to not deregister the distributor, lest the mailing list unexpectedly go poof.

DIS: Re: BUS: Deregistrations

2009-11-09 Thread Craig Daniel
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: I intend, without objection, to deregister Teucer. Wait, I'm registered right now? Huh.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Anarchist Election is FAILING QUORUM

2009-11-09 Thread Sean Hunt
Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 9 Nov 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: Kerim Aydin wrote: I vote coppro (if I re-joined before the election started). -G. Eligibility to vote in an election is not fixed at the start of the voting period. Does that count as an annotation or a conditional vote? It is fairly