Re: DIS: Ugh!

2010-09-10 Thread ais523
On Fri, 2010-09-10 at 16:09 -0400, comex wrote: > An instrument is any entity that is generally capable of > communicating, at every point in time, a (usually empty) ordered > list of changes it intends to apply to the gamestate. Power is > an instrument switch whose values

DIS: Re: BUS: Team distribution

2010-09-10 Thread ais523
On Fri, 2010-09-10 at 15:01 -0400, Warrigal wrote: > My comment got cut off up top, but you can still see it down at the > bottom. Team 3 now consists of ehird, G., omd, and woggle; Team 4 > consists of ais523, Sgeo, and Yally. > > —Distributor (in a sense) Tanner L. Swett Heh, thanks for relievi

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Ribbon Report

2010-09-10 Thread ais523
On Fri, 2010-09-10 at 10:35 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > I announce my intent to ratify the current ownership of Ribbons as > follows, Without Objection: Don't asset reports in general (and ribbon reports in particular) self-ratify anyway? -- ais523

DIS: Re: BUS: court merry go round

2010-09-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010, Warrigal wrote: > I submit the following Urgent Proposal, titled "The List of No Doubt", > AI = 2, II = 1: {In Rule 2314, replace "eir position on the list is > found by judicial declaration to be unknown or ambiguous" with "eir > position on the list has been found to be un

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Ribbon Report

2010-09-10 Thread Warrigal
I say if the report was published at time T, and it does not say it's a report from time S, then it's a report from time T. —Tanner L. Swett

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assumed Fearmongor] Change is Nigh!

2010-09-10 Thread comexk
Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Keba wrote: > Proposal "Trade Capacitors" (AI=1, II=0) > {{{ > Amend Rule "Capacitors" by replacing > >Capacitors are a class of fixed assets > > with: > >Capacitors are a class of assets > }}} Dupe.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: court merry go round

2010-09-10 Thread comexk
Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10, 2010, at 6:27 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > Judicial declarations are only self-ratifying if their publication is > required, and these certainly were not. I'm trying to use the "found by judicial declaration to be unknown or ambiguous" clause, not self-ratification.

DIS: Re: BUS: court merry go round

2010-09-10 Thread Sean Hunt
On 09/10/2010 06:21 PM, comex wrote: As judge of CFJ 2857, I publish the following /incorrect/ judicial declarations: { G.'s position on the List of Succession is unknown. } { coppro's position on the List of Succession is unknown. } { omd's position on the List of Succession is unknown. } { wog

Re: DIS: Ugh!

2010-09-10 Thread comex
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 4:09 PM, comex wrote: > Proto: + this, to make "X state is IMPOSSIBLE" work: Amend Rule 2152 by replacing: 1. CANNOT, IMPOSSIBLE, INEFFECTIVE, INVALID: Attempts to perform the described action are unsuccessful. with: 1. CANNOT, IMPOSSIBLE, INEFFECT

DIS: Ugh!

2010-09-10 Thread comex
Proto: [I think all this ambiguity about how proposals take effect is caused by a cosmology of instruments that has evolved from simple to complex without ditching some assumptions that now unnecessarily increase the complexity. Take this paragraph from Rule 106: Preventing a proposal from

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements

2010-09-10 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: > On Fri, 10 Sep 2010, com...@gmail.com wrote: >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 10, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: >>> Instruments generally, nowhere. Proposals in particular, the first >>> paragraph of R106: >>> >>> When a proposal that includes >>> such explicit chan

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Rebellion Die roll

2010-09-10 Thread Warrigal
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > No, PD is was exactly at one point.  The logic: "All of us non-rebels left > will move lower on the list if the rebellion wins.  So we (collectively) > want the rebellion to fail, so we shouldn't rebel (that's cooperation). > However, individua

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Ribbon Report

2010-09-10 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I announce my intent to ratify the current ownership of Ribbons as > follows, Without Objection: Unnecessary; by R2166, reports on asset holdings are self-ratifying.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements

2010-09-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010, com...@gmail.com wrote: > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 10, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > > Instruments generally, nowhere. Proposals in particular, the first > > paragraph of R106: > > > > When a proposal that includes > > such explicit changes takes ef

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements

2010-09-10 Thread comexk
Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > Instruments generally, nowhere. Proposals in particular, the first > paragraph of R106: > > When a proposal that includes > such explicit changes takes effect, it applies those changes to > the gamestate. Huh.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements

2010-09-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > Instruments generally, nowhere. Proposals in particular, the first > paragraph of R106: > > When a proposal that includes > such explicit changes takes effect, it applies those changes to > the gamestate. Ah, there we go: I (and Murphy

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Rebellion Die roll

2010-09-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010, Warrigal wrote: > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > I was also thinking towards the end that it's a pretty good Prisoner's > > Dilemma situation set up.  Towards the end (when chance was pretty > > near 50/50) there were a few people who could better the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements

2010-09-10 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Fri, 10 Sep 2010, Ed Murphy wrote: >> 2855:  TRUE >> 2856:  TRUE >> >> A substantive aspect of a rule pertains to /how/ a rule governs, not >> /what/ a rule governs.  With that argument eliminated, a low-powered >> proposal is just as c

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Docket

2010-09-10 Thread Warrigal
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 4:41 AM, Ed Murphy wrote: > Hawkishness (Rule 1871) of active players > - > > Hovering:     Tanner L. Swett >              Taral > > All other active players are hemming-and-hawing. CoE: this is no longer defined. —Tanner L. Swett

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Rebellion Die roll

2010-09-10 Thread Warrigal
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I was also thinking towards the end that it's a pretty good Prisoner's > Dilemma situation set up.  Towards the end (when chance was pretty > near 50/50) there were a few people who could better their position by > one by rebelling; then there w

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements

2010-09-10 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010, Ed Murphy wrote: > 2855: TRUE > 2856: TRUE > > A substantive aspect of a rule pertains to /how/ a rule governs, not > /what/ a rule governs. With that argument eliminated, a low-powered > proposal is just as capable as a low-powered rule (they're both > instruments and th