On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:30 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> I prefer the old version where the Champion was partial pragmatic;
> awarded by the Herald (hopefully when e's pretty sure the dust has
> settled) but the award fails if the win failed.
Wasn't e technically violating an ASAP requirement by wa
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, omd wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > Personally, I'd be happy with: (a) Announce a win (b) Wait 4 days or a week
> > to see if anyone calls a case about it,
>
> for that matter, what's wrong with the old system: (a) announce a win;
> (b) win
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> Personally, I'd be happy with: (a) Announce a win (b) Wait 4 days or a week
> to see if anyone calls a case about it,
for that matter, what's wrong with the old system: (a) announce a win;
(b) win platonically succeeds or fails, and Champion
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, omd wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > Such declarations are self-ratifying
> > in terms of whether the indicated Victory Condition was met and
> > that
> > the person(s) names as meeting the condition have in fact wo
On 06/29/11 19:36, omd wrote:
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
Such declarations are self-ratifying
in terms of whether the indicated Victory Condition was met and that
the person(s) names as meeting the condition have in fact won the
g
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> Such declarations are self-ratifying
> in terms of whether the indicated Victory Condition was met and that
> the person(s) names as meeting the condition have in fact won the
> game.
...but are always false
At 09:56 PM 6/29/2011, you wrote:
>On 06/29/11 18:23, Chuck Carroll wrote:
>>I send many warm wishes to Agora and to all current and former Agorans on the
>>occasion of Agora's 18th birthday.
>>
>>Looking over the ruleset, I find myself doubly astonished at its state,
>>compared to its state when
omd wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:27 AM, Charles Walker
> wrote:
>> If a player violates a Rule by failing to meet the requirements
>> of an office, such as performing eir weekly or monthly duties,
>> then the IADoP SHALL initiate a valid criminal case on the
>> matter as
G. wrote:
> Pine FTW!
Gah, I remember some of my earliest messages being botched due to
CLI mail reader issues (I think it was actually /bin/mail).
On 06/29/11 18:23, Chuck Carroll wrote:
I send many warm wishes to Agora and to all current and former Agorans on the
occasion of Agora's 18th birthday.
Looking over the ruleset, I find myself doubly astonished at its state,
compared to its state when I was last a player many years ago:
I am a
Joshua Murphy wrote:
> I hereby register with the nickname of Math321.
No relation.
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, omd wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 3:36 AM, Charles Walker
> wrote:
> > A person can publish a Declaration of Victory by announcement,
> > explaining the Victory Condition they believe they have met and
> > how they met it. If a Victory Case is initiated reg
- Original Message -
From: Kerim Aydin
To: Agora Discussion
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Enforcement Enforcement
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, ais523 wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 12:35 -0400, omd wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:27 AM, Charles W
On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 16:31 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, ais523 wrote:
> > Replace "the IADoP" with "Wooble", and I'd be in favour of it.
>
> I submit the following proposal, "might as well":
> Enact a Rule with the following text: "Wooble is the Pariah."
The idea was more
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, omd wrote:
> What benefit does this offer versus victory cases?
Because Walker won last week, there's absolutely no controversy
over the win, and e's probably at least a week away (still) from
being recognized through an overwrought and unnecessary?
(Was writing to agree w
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, Sean Hunt wrote:
> On 11-06-10 09:28 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> >GRAND HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
> > Peter Suber, Chuck Carroll, Douglas Hofstadter
> >
> > HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
> > Murphy
>
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, ais523 wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 12:35 -0400, omd wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:27 AM, Charles Walker
> > wrote:
> > > If a player violates a Rule by failing to meet the requirements
> > > of an office, such as performing eir weekly or monthly duties,
>
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, Elliott Hird wrote:
> On 29 June 2011 10:03, Aaron Goldfein wrote:
> > Not to my own messages, but I am getting that warning from all
> > messages sent by you.
>
> ditto
Pine FTW!
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Sean Hunt
> wrote:
> > I come off hold.
> >
> > Proposal: 18th Birthday Bash
> > {{{
> > Award the patent title "Coming of Age" to every person who was an active
> > player at some point during Agora's 18th Birthday.
> >
From: omd
To: agora-discussion@agoranomic.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Happy birthday!
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Joshua Murphy wrote:
> Seconded.
>
> -Math321 aka Joshua aka Math321
FYI, you're still not sending in plain text.
-
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Joshua Murphy wrote:
> Seconded.
>
> -Math321 aka Joshua aka Math321
FYI, you're still not sending in plain text.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 3:36 AM, Charles Walker
wrote:
> A person can publish a Declaration of Victory by announcement,
> explaining the Victory Condition they believe they have met and
> how they met it. If a Victory Case is initiated regarding a
> Declaration of Victory, no D
From: Aaron Goldfein
To: agora-busin...@agoranomic.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 3:45 PM
Subject: BUS: Happy birthday!
Seconded.
-Math321 aka Joshua aka Math321
Happy 18th birthday, Agora!
Since Agora is now a
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Sean Hunt wrote:
> On 06/29/11 12:45, Aaron Goldfein wrote:
>>
>> Agora can make its own decisions. If, at any time, Agora wishes to
>> counteract a decision, then that decision, rules to the contrary
>> notwithstanding, has no effect. The game of Agora, but not an
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Aaron Goldfein wrote:
> Happy 18th birthday, Agora!
>
> Since Agora is now a legal adult in most countries, I think it's
> appropriate that we stop telling it what to do and let the game decide
> for itself how to alter its ruleset, gamestate, etc.
>
> Proposal: Ag
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Geoffrey Spear wrote:
> I'm now seeing this on the first message in any thread to the lists if
> it was posted by a gmail user. I wonder if gmail's suddenly not liking
> how the mailing list is resending messages "from" gmail users.
>
That must be it. =)
~ Roujo
On 06/29/11 12:45, Aaron Goldfein wrote:
Agora can make its own decisions. If, at any time, Agora wishes to
counteract a decision, then that decision, rules to the contrary
notwithstanding, has no effect. The game of Agora, but not any player
of it, can make arbitrary changes to the gamestate.
I send the public message ais523 sent approximately one hour and one
minute ago with a subject line containing "Happy birthday, Agora!".
—Tanner L. Swett
- Original Message -
From: Eric Stucky
To: Business
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 2:24 PM
Subject: BUS: Birthday
Happy Birthday! (and hurray to me for being oblivious to timezones! Woot!)
I Dance a Powerful Dance.
> Happy Birthday Agora!
I support.
> I award myself a Magenta R
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Alex Smith wrote:
> I award myself a Magenta Ribbon.
I play GGAGCB GGAGDC GGGECBA FFECDC.
- Original Message -
From: Charles Walker
To: agora-business
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 2:13 PM
Subject: BUS: Birthday
Happy Birthday Agora!
--
Charles Walker
- Original Message ends -
HAPPY BIRTHDAY! *Blows party blower thingy.*
> Proto-proposal:
>
> {{ Unfortunately, babies will die (AI 3)
>
> Amend Rule 2154 (Election Procedure) by replacing the final paragraph with:
>
> A valid vote in an election consists of an ordered list of valid
> votes (possibly only one).
This is problematic. I'm basing the rest of
- Original Message -
From: Sean Hunt
To: agora-busin...@agoranomic.org
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 2:10 PM
Subject: BUS: You're a man^Wnomic now!
I come off hold.
Proposal: 18th Birthday Bash
{{{
Award the patent title "Coming of Age" to every person who was an active player
a
On 11-06-10 09:28 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
GRAND HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
Peter Suber, Chuck Carroll, Douglas Hofstadter
HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
Murphy
These should be moved to the forefront.
-scshunt
On 29 June 2011 17:54, omd wrote:
> Proposal: Victory case changes (AI=1.7)
Please could you word this not to clash with my related proposal? You
just need to change the first line to "If X has been adopted, replace
the second paragraph, otherwise the first, with".
--
Charles Walker
On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 12:35 -0400, omd wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:27 AM, Charles Walker
> wrote:
> > If a player violates a Rule by failing to meet the requirements
> > of an office, such as performing eir weekly or monthly duties,
> > then the IADoP SHALL initiate a valid c
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:27 AM, Charles Walker
wrote:
> If a player violates a Rule by failing to meet the requirements
> of an office, such as performing eir weekly or monthly duties,
> then the IADoP SHALL initiate a valid criminal case on the
> matter as soon as possible af
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Geoffrey Spear wrote:
> I'm now seeing this on the first message in any thread to the lists if
> it was posted by a gmail user. I wonder if gmail's suddenly not liking
> how the mailing list is resending messages "from" gmail users.
I bug reported it.
On 11-06-29 09:31 AM, omd wrote:
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Sean Hunt wrote:
I intend, with two support, to file a motion to reconsider. While I'm not
sure if I agree at all with the conclusion that AI is a useless property, I
would note that any comparison against an undefined value is,
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Sean Hunt wrote:
> I intend, with two support, to file a motion to reconsider. While I'm not
> sure if I agree at all with the conclusion that AI is a useless property, I
> would note that any comparison against an undefined value is, by convention,
> false where
On 11-06-29 09:03 AM, Charles Walker wrote:
On 29 June 2011 16:51, Sean Hunt wrote:
On 11-06-29 02:32 AM, Charles Walker wrote:
I CFJ on "Chamber is a switch."
Arguments: FALSE as no officer tracks it. The same goes for adoption
index, which means that no recent proposals have actually had a
On 29 June 2011 16:51, Sean Hunt wrote:
> On 11-06-29 02:32 AM, Charles Walker wrote:
>>
>> I CFJ on "Chamber is a switch."
>>
>> Arguments: FALSE as no officer tracks it. The same goes for adoption
>> index, which means that no recent proposals have actually had an
>> adoption index. This might m
I'm now seeing this on the first message in any thread to the lists if
it was posted by a gmail user. I wonder if gmail's suddenly not liking
how the mailing list is resending messages "from" gmail users.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 5:32 AM, Charles Walker
wrote:
> I CFJ on "Chamber is a switch."
>
> Arguments: FALSE as no officer tracks it. The same goes for adoption
> index, which means that no recent proposals have actually had an
> adoption index. This might mean that proposals with a simple majori
On 29 June 2011 14:48, Joshua Murphy wrote:
> Is this better? For now, I can't do the > thing, but at least I've figured
> out how to do plain text.
This is better, although your style of quoting is a bit
confusing/wastes some space in at least my mail client. Nevertheless,
not very important, a
- Original Message -
From: Elliott Hird
To: agora-discussion@agoranomic.org
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registration
By the way, no need to be sorry; many new players have problems
sending their emails right to start with. Welcome! :)
From: Elliott Hird
To: agora-discussion@agoranomic.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registration
On 29 June 2011 01:03, Joshua Murphy wrote:
> Sorry again. I'm kinda new at this. I'll use a divider made out of -'s from
> now on. Anybody know a way to make yaho
From: ais523
To: agora-discussion@agoranomic.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registration
I can't get to mail classic, Yahoo removed the option to use it because they're
"strongly encouraging" people to use the new interface. Also, since I'm not
using mai
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Charles Walker
wrote:
> Are any other Gmail users getting an annoying "This message may not
> have been sent by:" at the top of all of their own messages to the
> lists?
Does this mean that Walker's claims of identity in messages for the
next month don't self-rati
On 29 June 2011 13:17, Elliott Hird wrote:
> On 29 June 2011 11:49, Charles Walker wrote:
>> It was @googlemail.com but I changed it to @gmail.com a while back. I
>> can still sign in as @googlemail.com though, and messages sent to
>> either address work.
>
> It's gone now. Did you change somethi
On 29 June 2011 11:49, Charles Walker wrote:
> It was @googlemail.com but I changed it to @gmail.com a while back. I
> can still sign in as @googlemail.com though, and messages sent to
> either address work.
It's gone now. Did you change something?
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Aaron Goldfein wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 03:54, Charles Walker
> wrote:
>> Are any other Gmail users getting an annoying "This message may not
>> have been sent by:" at the top of all of their own messages to the
>> lists?
>>
>> --
>> Charles Walker
>>
>
>
On 29 June 2011 11:30, Elliott Hird wrote:
> On 29 June 2011 11:19, Charles Walker wrote:
>> Just through https://mail.google.com, as per usual.
>
> Would your account happen to be @googlemail.com rather than
> @gmail.com? Or have a different number of dots in its "true" name?
>
It was @googlema
On 29 June 2011 11:19, Charles Walker wrote:
> Just through https://mail.google.com, as per usual.
Would your account happen to be @googlemail.com rather than
@gmail.com? Or have a different number of dots in its "true" name?
On 29 June 2011 11:09, Elliott Hird wrote:
> On 29 June 2011 10:03, Aaron Goldfein wrote:
>> Not to my own messages, but I am getting that warning from all
>> messages sent by you.
>
> ditto
>
> How are you sending them?
>
Just through https://mail.google.com, as per usual.
--
Charles Walker
On 29 June 2011 10:03, Aaron Goldfein wrote:
> Not to my own messages, but I am getting that warning from all
> messages sent by you.
ditto
How are you sending them?
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 03:54, Charles Walker
wrote:
> Are any other Gmail users getting an annoying "This message may not
> have been sent by:" at the top of all of their own messages to the
> lists?
>
> --
> Charles Walker
>
Not to my own messages, but I am getting that warning from all
message
Are any other Gmail users getting an annoying "This message may not
have been sent by:" at the top of all of their own messages to the
lists?
--
Charles Walker
Proto-proposal:
{{ Unfortunately, babies will die (AI 3)
Amend Rule 2154 (Election Procedure) by replacing the final paragraph with:
A valid vote in an election consists of an ordered list of valid
votes (possibly only one). The voter is initially considered to
have chosen the
On 28 June 2011 18:12, Joshua Murphy wrote:
> I hereby register with the nickname of Math321.
Welcome!
--
Charles Walker
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