Re: DIS: proto

2013-08-06 Thread omd
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:51 AM, Tanner Swett swe...@mail.gvsu.edu wrote: This is a really long proposal that makes a heck of a lot of changes, some of which I disagree with; I'd almost certainly vote AGAINST it, or any similar proposal, unless it were broken into something like a dozen

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3381 assigned to ais523

2013-08-06 Thread omd
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 1:30 AM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: 00:53 tswett If a rule were to say if it is POSSIBLE to do X, then it is POSSIBLE to do Y, I think we would treat this as meaning something very different from if it is IMPOSSIBLE to do Y, then it is POSSIBLE to do

DIS: R101 as mini FAQ

2013-08-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
It occurs to me that r101 could function as much as a mini-FAQ as anything. For example, the r101(i) right but no ability has no actual teeth, but was written to attempt to make clear that ISID is a fallacy so to head off that most common of errors. Though obviously, it's still a bit opaque on

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: publicity

2013-08-06 Thread Jonathan Rouillard
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Fool fool1...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/08/2013 2:53 PM, Geoffrey Spear wrote: This is a Public message. Having received no objections, I flip the Publicity of agora-busin...@agoranomic.org mailto:agora-busin...@agoranomic.org and agora-offic...@agoranomic.org

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: publicity

2013-08-06 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Fool fool1...@gmail.com wrote: I intend to deputise for the Rulekeepor to publish the Full Logical Ruleset, which is shamefully overdue. Can't you just go ahead and Assume the office? Or does that rule not really exist. If the Switchy Hypothesis is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Possibly Registrar] Census

2013-08-06 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 4:32 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone please give me a counterargument to When created, switches have their default values == new switches have their default values? Rule 1586. http://www.mail-archive.com/agora-discussion@agoranomic.org/msg26317.html

DIS: And another thing

2013-08-06 Thread Fool
Proto: the vote collector can end a vote early with support of all (other) eligible voters; by announcement if e is the only eligible voter or if there are none. Don't have time to figure out how to write this one out just now. Do feel free to submit as your own. Cheers -Dan

Re: DIS: And another thing

2013-08-06 Thread Charles Walker
On 6 August 2013 13:23, Fool fool1...@gmail.com wrote: Proto: the vote collector can end a vote early with support of all (other) eligible voters; by announcement if e is the only eligible voter or if there are none. Don't have time to figure out how to write this one out just now. Do feel

DIS: Proto: newbie friendliness

2013-08-06 Thread Craig Daniel
The Tutor is an office whose holdor is responsible for maintaining the Tutorial. The Tutor CAN edit the Tutorial at any time, and SHOULD do so as necessary to keep it current and accurate. The Tutor also SHALL make sure the current text of the Tutorial is easy for prospective players to find. The

Re: DIS: Proto: newbie friendliness

2013-08-06 Thread Charles Walker
On 6 August 2013 16:57, Craig Daniel teu...@pobox.com wrote: The Tutor is an office whose holdor is responsible for maintaining the Tutorial. The Tutor CAN edit the Tutorial at any time, and SHOULD do so as necessary to keep it current and accurate. The Tutor also SHALL make sure the current

Re: DIS: Proto: newbie friendliness

2013-08-06 Thread Craig Daniel
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 August 2013 16:57, Craig Daniel teu...@pobox.com wrote: The Tutor is an office whose holdor is responsible for maintaining the Tutorial. The Tutor CAN edit the Tutorial at any time, and SHOULD do so as

Re: DIS: Proto: newbie friendliness

2013-08-06 Thread Max Schutz
all i have to say on that is FINALLY On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Craig Daniel teu...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 August 2013 16:57, Craig Daniel teu...@pobox.com wrote: The Tutor is an office whose holdor is

DIS: Re: BUS: Go Away

2013-08-06 Thread omd
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Fool fool1...@gmail.com wrote: I submit the following proposal (AI=2): {{ Fool is de-registered. }} AGAINST. We still love you ;p

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3381 assigned to ais523

2013-08-06 Thread Craig Daniel
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Tue, 2013-08-06 at 10:24 -0400, Craig Daniel wrote: The above is intended primarily to weigh in on the subject of the success of Fool's scam. However, just in case it was buggy (case 2 or 4 above), I submit the following

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7567-7582

2013-08-06 Thread Charles Walker
On 6 August 2013 22:08, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: AGAINST because this is a substantive change that shouldn't get free distribution You're in favour of stricter Distributability?

DIS: Proto: Players' Guide

2013-08-06 Thread Charles Walker
I'd really appreciate some feedback on the following, in particular whether the ###-delimited section should be removed or not, but also generally. --- A PLAYERS' GUIDE TO THE GAME OF AGORA --- Table of Contents - I.What is nomic? II. What is Agora? III. The Mailing Lists

DIS: Proto: Helpfulness

2013-08-06 Thread Charles Walker
I'd also appreciate any comments on this, which is obviously related to the Players' Guide post. H. Rulekeepor, Max Schutz, what do you think of the ruleset formats? Helpfulness AI 1 PF 40 Append to Rule 1681 (The Logical Rulesets): The Helpful Logical Ruleset (HLR) is a format of the

Re: DIS: Proto: Helpfulness

2013-08-06 Thread Max Schutz
it's good btw did you get my critiquing on your beginners guide On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.comwrote: I'd also appreciate any comments on this, which is obviously related to the Players' Guide post. H. Rulekeepor, Max Schutz, what do you think of the

Re: DIS: Proto: Helpfulness

2013-08-06 Thread Charles Walker
On 6 August 2013 22:35, Max Schutz maxschutz...@gmail.com wrote: it's good btw did you get my critiquing on your beginners guide Yes, thank you.

Re: DIS: Proto: Players' Guide

2013-08-06 Thread Michael Slone
On 2013-08-06, Charles Walker wrote: I'd really appreciate some feedback on the following, in particular whether the ###-delimited section should be removed or not, but also generally. I think the ###-delimited section should be kept. Some minor nits: A

DIS: Re: BUS: posture

2013-08-06 Thread Max Schutz
oh jeez comex you just had to make a reference to tub thumping On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 5:58 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I lean. (on comex) I get knocked down. But I get up again.

DIS: Re: BUS: posture

2013-08-06 Thread Max Schutz
wait why are you cfj'ing this On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.comwrote: On 6 August 2013 22:58, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I lean. (on comex) I get knocked down.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: posture

2013-08-06 Thread Craig Daniel
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Max Schutz maxschutz...@gmail.com wrote: wait why are you cfj'ing this Because that is the customary way of resolving matters of ambiguity.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: posture

2013-08-06 Thread Charles Walker
On 6 August 2013 23:55, Craig Daniel teu...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Max Schutz maxschutz...@gmail.com wrote: wait why are you cfj'ing this Because that is the customary way of resolving matters of ambiguity. And because it's fun! For some people.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: posture

2013-08-06 Thread Max Schutz
i realize craig this is the response to ambiguity but it seemed like a straight forward move so to speak On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.comwrote: On 6 August 2013 23:55, Craig Daniel teu...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Max Schutz

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Possibly Registrar] Census

2013-08-06 Thread Max Schutz
wait we have to re-register again On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 8:16 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Tue, 2013-08-06 at 20:14 -0400, Sean Hunt wrote: I register. I also register, on the very remote chance that this actually does anything. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Possibly Registrar] Census

2013-08-06 Thread Craig Daniel
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Max Schutz maxschutz...@gmail.com wrote: wait we have to re-register again No. Well, not unless Wooble.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Possibly Registrar] Census

2013-08-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2013-08-06 at 20:24 -0400, Max Schutz wrote: wait we have to re-register again Probably not. Wooble thinks we do, but I'm not sure if anyone else agrees with em. One common problem with nomic is that people disagree as to what the state of things is. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Proto: Players' Guide

2013-08-06 Thread James Beirne
Two of the lists are backups in case the first three go down (yeah, we take things very seriously) we take things very seriously might be a bit intimidating for new players. I also think it;s worth mentioning the irc channel. - Ien On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Michael Slone

Re: DIS: Proto: Players' Guide

2013-08-06 Thread omd
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: To subscribe to the mailing lists, go to http://agoranomic.org/ which has links to all five lists. I would really like to decrease the burden of this, incidentally. V. The Rules But first, a brief interlude