Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Declaration of Apathy

2018-09-13 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 13 Sep 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote: 1. The Parliamentary Tradition: "Without Objection" has more dangerous consequences than win by Apathy (e.g. Ruleset changes). In a legislature, if you mumbled "any objections?" so only you could hear it, then said "with no objections I proceed", it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Declaration of Apathy

2018-09-13 Thread D Margaux
>>> For what it's worth, I think the only potential reason this could fail is that it doesn't actually use the word "intend” I think “plan” is sufficiently synonymous with “intend”, especially because I expressly invoked the “method” of Rule 1728(1) (that is, the without-objection-intent method).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Declaration of Apathy

2018-09-13 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2018-09-13 at 13:42 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > I'm G., not Aris (I should remember to sign things, sorry!) :) > > I'll add that this covers two very different "good of the game" sort of > questions for the judge to consider: > > 1. The Parliamentary Tradition: "Without Objection"

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Declaration of Apathy

2018-09-13 Thread D Margaux
Very sorry for misnaming you, G. :-) Further responses: >>> I wrote it but initially edited out - it's "reasonably" clear, but there are other (1)'s in 1728, and I'm also writing after the fact (when Without Objection has been mentioned), so it may not be "unambiguously" clear. The announcement

Re: DIS: Email Weirdness (Reprise)

2018-09-13 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Thursday, September 13, 2018 9:22 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Working fine for me, but this happened to me 2 months ago and it turned out > the Agoranomic > had magically set my preferences on the mailing list info to turn off > delivery. I think > that happened to a couple others too, so

Re: DIS: Email Weirdness (Reprise)

2018-09-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
Working fine for me, but this happened to me 2 months ago and it turned out the Agoranomic had magically set my preferences on the mailing list info to turn off delivery. I think that happened to a couple others too, so check preferences. On a related note, is there a reason that replying

Re: DIS: Email Weirdness (Reprise)

2018-09-13 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Oh, but I did get this one. How bizarre. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, September 13, 2018 9:15 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > Just wanted to mention that I haven't actually received copies of any of my > own messages, to any forum, today - the most recent one was "Re:

DIS: Email Weirdness (Reprise)

2018-09-13 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Just wanted to mention that I haven't actually received copies of any of my own messages, to any forum, today - the most recent one was "Re: BUS: Land stuff" yesterday, when I moved to (-2, 2). I have received everyone else's messages, though. Anyone else having the same thing happen? -twg

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Declaration of Apathy

2018-09-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
:) Thought you might be pulling our legs, but also realized it hadn't come up lately so I thought I'd mention the Bad Form thing for people in general. If I were really concerned, and it was a time issue, I might call the second CFJ before you delivered the first answer. The judgements would

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Declaration of Apathy

2018-09-13 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
Oh, I mostly just did that because I thought it was mildly amusing. I'm not actually expecting it to get through without the required number of objections (or, indeed, for the CFJ to go 4 days without Murphy assigning it to a different judge). Though if I _did_ do that, would it not be more

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Declaration of Apathy

2018-09-13 Thread Reuben Staley
I also object On Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 14:39 Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > Point of order: You are replying to G., not to Aris. > > I favour the CFJ initiated by G. earlier in this thread and intend to > assign it to myself Without 3 Objections, just in case anyone isn't paying > attention... > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Declaration of Apathy

2018-09-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
I'm G., not Aris (I should remember to sign things, sorry!) :) I'll add that this covers two very different "good of the game" sort of questions for the judge to consider: 1. The Parliamentary Tradition: "Without Objection" has more dangerous consequences than win by Apathy (e.g. Ruleset

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Declaration of Apathy

2018-09-13 Thread D Margaux
Arg! Sorry :-) On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 4:39 PM Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > Point of order: You are replying to G., not to Aris. > > I favour the CFJ initiated by G. earlier in this thread and intend to > assign it to myself Without 3 Objections, just in case anyone isn't paying > attention... >

DIS: Re: BUS: Declaration of Apathy

2018-09-13 Thread D Margaux
:-D >From Aris: > > And very specifically, in the above, you must be "(including the value of > N and/or T for each method)". In eir announcement of intent, e refers to > 1728(1) which is "without N Objections", and e didn't specify that N=1. > While "without objection" is "shorthand" for 1, 1