Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Declaration of Apathy

2018-09-14 Thread D Margaux
Fascinating. In US law, courts sometimes require a "clear statement" that the legislature intended a particular outcome before it will interpret a statute in a particular way. See, e.g., Seminole Tribe v. Florida, 517 U.S. 44 (1996) (rejecting a particular interpretation unless congress "mak[es]

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Declaration of Apathy

2018-09-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
Followup after quick rules search: we use "clear" a heck of a lot in the rules, for things we have varying standards for (and for which standards have varied over time). It *may* be a pretty weak standard the way we're currently using it, so maybe that's not a scam-killer. On Fri, 14 Sep 2018

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Declaration of Apathy

2018-09-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 14 Sep 2018, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > This seems to be an argument for replacing (or complementing) "clear" by > "unobfuscated" in the relevant rule text. Huh, actually, a leading definition of "obfuscated" is "unclear": 'obfuscate: render obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.' I don't t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Declaration of Apathy

2018-09-14 Thread Aris Merchant
^serious challenge -Aris On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 12:39 AM Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Whether or not this actually works, I think we all feel like it’s an > unusually interesting and clever attempt, and it raises a serious to our > current rules around clarity. I

DIS: Re: BUS: Declaration of Apathy

2018-09-14 Thread Aris Merchant
Whether or not this actually works, I think we all feel like it’s an unusually interesting and clever attempt, and it raises a serious to our current rules around clarity. If it didn’t work, what would people think of awarding a win by proposal? -Aris On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 12:21 PM D Margaux w