Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [SPOOKY Prime Minister] Distribution of Proposal 8164

2019-02-27 Thread Reuben Staley
I just want to make sure it works as intended since this is an important amendment. It's possible it does amend the rule but that just wasn't clear to me. -- Trigon On Wed, Feb 27, 2019, 21:35 James Cook I was thinking of the proposal as two changes: first, the gamestate > changes, and then,

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [SPOOKY Prime Minister] Distribution of Proposal 8164

2019-02-27 Thread James Cook
I was thinking of the proposal as two changes: first, the gamestate changes, and then, the rule is amended. After the second change, the ruleset would contain the amended rule. But I'm not sure proposals are interpreted as a sequence of actions like that. If it's treated as a bunch of assertions

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [SPOOKY Prime Minister] Distribution of Proposal 8164

2019-02-27 Thread Reuben Staley
It also says that the gamestate, excluding the ruleset, is modified to what it would have been if the amendment took place. Does this override the amendment itself? -- Trigon On Wed, Feb 27, 2019, 21:29 James Cook It does say "Rule 2124 is amended...". Why wouldn't that happen? I > don't think

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [SPOOKY Prime Minister] Distribution of Proposal 8164

2019-02-27 Thread James Cook
It does say "Rule 2124 is amended...". Why wouldn't that happen? I don't think the first paragraph referring to it as "the following amendment" stops it from being an effective part of the proposal on its own.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [SPOOKY Prime Minister] Distribution of Proposal 8164

2019-02-27 Thread Aris Merchant
It definitely does, to my reading. Can you reread? -Aris On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 8:27 PM Reuben Staley wrote: > I hate to point this out after the distribution, but if I'm correct in my > reading, this does not actually amend the rule. After this passes, won't > intents still be broken? > > --

DIS: Re: OFF: [SPOOKY Prime Minister] Distribution of Proposal 8164

2019-02-27 Thread Reuben Staley
I hate to point this out after the distribution, but if I'm correct in my reading, this does not actually amend the rule. After this passes, won't intents still be broken? -- Trigon On Wed, Feb 27, 2019, 18:34 D. Margaux Pursuant to the Living Zombie contract, I hereby cause ATMunn to issue the

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: let's proceed to the second line-item

2019-02-27 Thread James Cook
> Enact a Rule, "Line-item Veto", with the following text: > >The Comptrollor is an imposed office. When the office is vacant, >the ADoP CAN, by announcement, set the Comptrollor to a player >chosen at random from the set of current Officers, excepting any >player

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Short Logical Ruleset: Eighth Week of 2019

2019-02-27 Thread Reuben Staley
The logical rulesets are very long documents. Lots of times, the rulesets slip through because of that. Check the archives on agoranomic.com. When I get around to updating the ruleset site, it'll also be there. -- Trigon On Wed, Feb 27, 2019, 21:07 James Cook I don't see this message in the

DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Short Logical Ruleset: Eighth Week of 2019

2019-02-27 Thread James Cook
I don't see this message in the public archive at https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/maillist.html or at https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/maillist.html . Same for Trigon's FLR publication around the same time. Does anyone know why?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Victory by Apathy

2019-02-27 Thread James Cook
On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 at 03:50, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Wed, 20 Feb 2019, James Cook wrote: > > > 5. Rule 2465 says: "Upon doing so, the specified players win the game." > > When we talk about "Doing X" for any X, we almost always take X to refer > > to the Action ("Declaring apathy") and

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Victory by Apathy

2019-02-27 Thread James Cook
> https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?2149 > https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?2150 > > These two judgements distinguish speech acts as being treated > differently than other types of terms-of-art. That landing-on-the-moon judgement was about landing on the moon

DIS: Re: OFF: [SPOOKY Prime Minister] Distribution of Proposal 8164

2019-02-27 Thread Aris Merchant
Sorry about how behind I am on my Promotor reports. I will catch up soon (the weekend, at latest). -Aris On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 5:34 PM D. Margaux wrote: > Pursuant to the Living Zombie contract, I hereby cause ATMunn to issue the > Cabinet Order of Manifesto to distribute the below proposal,

DIS: Re: OFF: Contest wrap-up

2019-02-27 Thread Gaelan Steele
> On Feb 27, 2019, at 4:24 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Thanks, all! This was fun. > > Purses: > I transfer 25 coins to Galean. > I transfer 15 coins to Telnaior (bonus award for close 2nd place). > > I announce my intent to award Gaelan the unique patent title "Too > Intense" with 2 Agoran

DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Championships

2019-02-27 Thread D. Margaux
> On Feb 27, 2019, at 7:01 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > I award D. Margaux the patent title Champion for cheating in politics. No collusion! WITCH HUNT! > I award D. Margaux the patent title Champion for succeeding in politics. > > Congratulations!

Re: DIS: who actually won recently?

2019-02-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
Oh that's right that one wasn't intent-dependent. And: you spoil my fun! I was definitely planning on pointing the figure at myself :) Unfortunately, acknowledging that may impact the situation a little... On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 1:03 PM D. Margaux wrote: > > That and also my cheating win.

Re: DIS: Non-email public fora

2019-02-27 Thread Reuben Staley
On 2/26/19 4:34 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote> Reuben Staley also wrote: Along the same line, we have the distribution system of proposals. This goes along with (1), but is still worth mentioning. In most other Nomics, proposals are immediately put up for voting since one post can represent a

Re: DIS: who actually won recently?

2019-02-27 Thread D. Margaux
That and also my cheating win. If you don’t timely-fashion award the other championships and someone pointed a finger at you, it would be interesting to see whether that conduct can be retroactively made criminal. > On Feb 27, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Due to the dependent

DIS: who actually won recently?

2019-02-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
Due to the dependent action bug, I think the only win that is currently owed "champion" is D. Margaux's most recent Politics win - are there others that actually succeeded? (the dependent action ones may be fixed retroactively, but they haven't been yet).