DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8177

2019-05-20 Thread D. Margaux
What if, by ratification, we reset all Spaaace and Politics switches to their default values before suspending? On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 8:08 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > I vote AGAINST 8177. > I act on behalf of Telnaior to vote AGAINST 8177. > > As commented earlier, I was knocked out of space ear

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8177

2019-05-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
Actually, there's an interesting question - if the rules have "no force or effect" do they continue to define the entities, switches, etc.? I don't think they do[*], which would mean that when they came back into force the switches would be "newly created" and in default. [* the rules must defi

DIS: Re: BUS: Fwd: [dicelog] Selection of Comptrollor

2019-05-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
Did I have an equal chance, as Tailor? On 5/20/2019 6:41 AM, Edward Murphy wrote: D. Margaux wrote: Another CoE for most recent ADOP report—by ratification, twg wasn’t an officer at the time of this dice roll. So omd wasn’t chosen from among all officers; he was chosen from among all office

DIS: Re: BUS: Fwd: [dicelog] Selection of Comptrollor

2019-05-20 Thread Edward Murphy
D. Margaux wrote: I also CoE that omd is not the comptrollor because G. was Tailor, and wasn’t in the dice roll. Huh. I have no idea how I missed that one. I don't /think/ I did it ahead of updating the database for G.'s deputisation. I had an argument for "retroactively give twg's slot to G.

DIS: the end never games

2019-05-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
Proto: Stones [Reason: we need more things to auction. And vaguely topical.] New Rules to be created: Stones A Stone is a unique indestructable liquid asset defined by the Rules. To define a stone, the definition must include: (i) The unique Name of the stone; (ii

DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie Auction

2019-05-20 Thread James Cook
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Re: DIS: the end never games

2019-05-20 Thread ATMunn
I really like this idea, actually. My only initial concern is that the Power Stone may be too powerful. On 5/20/2019 10:48 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Proto: Stones [Reason: we need more things to auction.  And vaguely topical.] New Rules to be created: Stones   A Stone is a unique indestr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8177

2019-05-20 Thread James Cook
> [* the rules must define a switch for it to exist, and a rule with no > force or effect includes no force or effect for its definitions - note > R1586 is only power-2 so this "no force or effect" clause would overrule > R1586. So if the switch doesn't exist while the rule is suspended, it is > r

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8177

2019-05-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On 5/20/2019 8:59 AM, James Cook wrote: [* the rules must define a switch for it to exist, and a rule with no force or effect includes no force or effect for its definitions - note R1586 is only power-2 so this "no force or effect" clause would overrule R1586. So if the switch doesn't exist wh

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8177

2019-05-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On 5/20/2019 10:31 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:> On 5/20/2019 8:59 AM, James Cook wrote:>> I can't see anything other than the third>> paragraph of R1586 implying that a generic entity is destroyed when>> its defining rule goes away, and I don't think it applies in this case>> since this isn't an a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8177

2019-05-20 Thread James Cook
> R217 covers this via the precedent initially set in CFJ 1500, asserts > that words go back to having their common language meaning when not > defined by the rules. Amusingly, CFJ 1500 covered the exact word > "politician" (and if we had to respect that ancient and entirely > different meaning, t

DIS: Re: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8177

2019-05-20 Thread James Cook
On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 12:08, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I vote AGAINST 8177. > I act on behalf of Telnaior to vote AGAINST 8177. > > As commented earlier, I was knocked out of space early on, as have > others. Willing to sit out of a subgame this long, but not through > a whole revival. Separate ques

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8177

2019-05-20 Thread D. Margaux
> On May 20, 2019, at 4:31 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > > I intend without objection to ratify the following document as true at the > time 00:00 GMT on 20 May 2019: > > { For purposes of this document, “Politics Rules” and “Spaaace Rules” have > the meaning ascribed to those terms in Proposal 8

Re: DIS: Re: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8177

2019-05-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On 5/20/2019 1:16 PM, James Cook wrote: On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 12:08, Kerim Aydin wrote: I vote AGAINST 8177. I act on behalf of Telnaior to vote AGAINST 8177. As commented earlier, I was knocked out of space early on, as have others. Willing to sit out of a subgame this long, but not throu

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8177

2019-05-20 Thread Kerim Aydin
On 5/20/2019 1:12 PM, James Cook wrote: I imagine there must be precedent where old rules defining entities have been re-enacted, and the players assumed no such entities existed immediately after the re-enactment. Maybe that's enough to favour the interpretation that no sectors exist when the

Re: DIS: the end never games

2019-05-20 Thread Aris Merchant
3 is currently the default, so it's only an increase of 2 actually. -Aris On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 8:45 AM ATMunn wrote: > I really like this idea, actually. My only initial concern is that the > Power Stone may be too powerful. > > On 5/20/2019 10:48 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > Proto: Stones

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Error in state of PM election

2019-05-20 Thread Aris Merchant
You're missing this from the same rule: "An election is contested if it has two or more candidates at the end of the nomination period, and uncontested otherwise. For a contested election, nominations close at the end of the poll's voting period. For an uncontested election, nominations close at t