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MESSAGE 821531847162462239 FROM nix (gnu/nix) IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-16 AT 23:54:15.687: I'm pretty sure the discussion went exactly like this: me: we need taxes to stop inflation aris: what if we inflated pay to match inflation me: but that'll cause more inflation aris: it'll be fine me: I'm not convinced but sounds chaotic enough MESSAGE 821563975858782249 FROM G. (G., The Final Judge) IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-17 AT 02:01:55.765: I made the *'s uneven on purpose MESSAGE 822103009974026250 FROM ATMunn (friendly neighborhood notary) IN #drafting ON 2021-03-18 AT 13:43:51.513: <no content> MESSAGE 822107523104374824 FROM nix (gnu/nix) IN #drafting ON 2021-03-18 AT 14:01:47.527: agorabot malfunctioning or intentionally won't star that kind of message? MESSAGE 822386331182432257 FROM Cuddlebeam (Wolf) IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-19 AT 08:29:40.553: This message consists only of attachments: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/724079019578097684/822386331115978762/unknown.png MESSAGE 822636316477882408 FROM bookshelf (Aris) IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-20 AT 01:03:01.692: Ratification is a bolted together cyborg entity that takes a PhD to fully understand and only works because Agorans give up their hopes and dreams to power it. MESSAGE 822640253676421130 FROM CodeTriangle (Fifth Most Influential Agoran) IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-20 AT 01:18:40.393: i was taliking to the banana MESSAGE 822640313344196639 FROM CodeTriangle (Fifth Most Influential Agoran) IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-20 AT 01:18:54.619: it was a sick roast MESSAGE 822642606168473661 FROM bookshelf (Aris) IN #generalchat ON 2021-03-20 AT 01:28:01.271: I think we are probably going to need to pull out one of those ratification reform plans. MESSAGE 822643269028675634 FROM rosewinsall (cuddlybanana) IN #generalchat ON 2021-03-20 AT 01:30:39.309: the real ratification was the friend we made along the way MESSAGE 822644025521471518 FROM Random Internet Cat (get out the vote cat) IN #generalchat ON 2021-03-20 AT 01:33:39.671: current state of infinite nomic This message has attachments https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/724077429412331563/822644025369559040/Screenshot_from_2021-03-19_21-33-16.png MESSAGE 822644701752197180 FROM bookshelf (Aris) IN #generalchat ON 2021-03-20 AT 01:36:20.897: I suggest you patch it by replacing all numbers in the ruleset with the text "a sufusion of yellow". MESSAGE 822853733464801311 FROM AgoraBot IN #botspam ON 2021-03-20 AT 15:26:57.941: "agorabot carefully considers every cfj and responds truthfully" judged WHO KNOWS. MESSAGE 822919003931934721 FROM Gaelan IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-20 AT 19:46:19.633: alright, draft judgement sent to DIS. I probably won't wait around for too long since people are waiting, but if anyone wants to point out any glaring errors/omissions now's the time MESSAGE 822919593978757193 FROM Random Internet Cat (get out the vote cat) IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-20 AT 19:48:40.311: Is acting on behalf a regulated action? MESSAGE 822919976808742922 FROM Random Internet Cat (get out the vote cat) IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-20 AT 19:50:11.585: if so, I'm not convinced by the "plain-English reading" argument, since you still need a Rules-specified method to do it MESSAGE 822921088945225768 FROM bookshelf (Aris) IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-20 AT 19:54:36.739: Acting on behalf here is more like the method than the action? MESSAGE 822921129861316698 FROM bookshelf (Aris) IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-20 AT 19:54:46.494: Method doesn't quite fit either. MESSAGE 822921606706757672 FROM Gaelan IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-20 AT 19:56:40.183: I think acting on behalf of another person is, but not acting on behalf in general MESSAGE 822921770100064306 FROM Random Internet Cat (get out the vote cat) IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-20 AT 19:57:19.139: hmm MESSAGE 822922119569604688 FROM Gaelan IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-20 AT 19:58:42.459: btw, is there really no power requirement for allowing acting on behalf? MESSAGE 822922202214826034 FROM bookshelf (Aris) IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-20 AT 19:59:02.163: There is one. MESSAGE 822922230970843197 FROM bookshelf (Aris) IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-20 AT 19:59:09.019: I think it's power 2? MESSAGE 822922249685565461 FROM Gaelan IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-20 AT 19:59:13.481: ohh I can read gud MESSAGE 822922498655649833 FROM Gaelan IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-20 AT 20:00:12.84: (might argue that it should be 3, given that there's pretty trivial escalation by voting + resolving a proposal) MESSAGE 822922554824982559 FROM Random Internet Cat (get out the vote cat) IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-20 AT 20:00:26.232: uhh MESSAGE 822922627885826079 FROM bookshelf (Aris) IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-20 AT 20:00:43.651: Power 2.0 is the basically the point at which we stop caring about escalations. MESSAGE 822922863370698793 FROM bookshelf (Aris) IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-20 AT 20:01:39.795: If you made acting on behalf power 3.0, you'd have to drag promises and and contracts up with it, and having those at power 3.0 would be dangerous. MESSAGE 822922923010424832 FROM Gaelan IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-20 AT 20:01:54.014: fair ig MESSAGE 822922942538186763 FROM Random Internet Cat (get out the vote cat) IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-20 AT 20:01:58.67: maybe it'd be better to enact a power-3 requirement for consent to act on behalf MESSAGE 822923059446415390 FROM bookshelf (Aris) IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-20 AT 20:02:26.543: That seems fair. MESSAGE 822923094343155722 FROM Gaelan IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-20 AT 20:02:34.863: not quite sure what you mean by this btw—what is "it" MESSAGE 822923133601841216 FROM Random Internet Cat (get out the vote cat) IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-20 AT 20:02:44.223: act on behalf MESSAGE 822923488590430268 FROM Gaelan IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-20 AT 20:04:08.859: I'm not sure I buy that: I can say "I act as follows: I frob the snorb" without rules-given permission to "act as follows" MESSAGE 822923611471216710 FROM Random Internet Cat (get out the vote cat) IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-20 AT 20:04:38.156: but the rules don't place any restrictions on "acting as follows" MESSAGE 822923647517327380 FROM Random Internet Cat (get out the vote cat) IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-20 AT 20:04:46.75: they do place restrictions on acting on behalf MESSAGE 822923691926880346 FROM Gaelan IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-20 AT 20:04:57.338: they don't though MESSAGE 822923710935072808 FROM Gaelan IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-20 AT 20:05:01.87: only on acting on behalf of another person MESSAGE 822924030666997770 FROM Random Internet Cat (get out the vote cat) IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-20 AT 20:06:18.1: fair enough I guess MESSAGE 822924456820342835 FROM bookshelf (Aris) IN #very-serious-agoran-business ON 2021-03-20 AT 20:07:59.703: I think Gaelan's ruling is sound. 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