Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-22 Thread omd
On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 9:58 AM Jason Cobb wrote: > Looking at this again, if the Rules state that doing something is a > crime (such as lying in a public message), then that arguably alters the > Rules-defined "state" of whether or not they are guilty of a crime. Is > this a valid reading, and is

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-22 Thread Jason Cobb
Clarification: performing the action arguably alters the Rules-defined "state"... Jason Cobb On 6/22/19 12:58 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: Looking at this again, if the Rules state that doing something is a crime (such as lying in a public message), then that arguably alters the Rules-defined "state

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-22 Thread Jason Cobb
Looking at this again, if the Rules state that doing something is a crime (such as lying in a public message), then that arguably alters the Rules-defined "state" of whether or not they are guilty of a crime. Is this a valid reading, and is this intended? Jason Cobb On 6/22/19 1:50 AM, omd wr

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-22 Thread Reuben Staley
I have to agree with Aris here. It doesn't create any rule conflicts at all. Besides, is it really that bad if the method has to be approved? I don't understand why you want to change this part of the rule. On 6/22/19 1:37 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 12:16 AM omd wrote:

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-22 Thread Aris Merchant
On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 12:16 AM omd wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 11:12 PM Aris Merchant > wrote: > > Also, the bit in Mother May I should still go in the regulated actions > > rule. Let's keep all the regulated action stuff in one place. I really like > > the current phrasing; it's extreme

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-22 Thread omd
On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 11:12 PM Aris Merchant wrote: > Also, the bit in Mother May I should still go in the regulated actions > rule. Let's keep all the regulated action stuff in one place. I really like > the current phrasing; it's extremely elegant (honestly, more so than the > one here), and n

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-22 Thread Rebecca
Does any language have inherent meaning? :thinking: On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 5:07 PM omd wrote: > On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 11:12 PM Aris Merchant > wrote: > > I think you’re making it worse rather than better. I’d drop the “with no > > inherent meaning” bit; a judge could easily interpret it to f

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-22 Thread omd
On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 11:12 PM Aris Merchant wrote: > I think you’re making it worse rather than better. I’d drop the “with no > inherent meaning” bit; a judge could easily interpret it to forbid > "distribute" being a term of art, since distributing something has meaning. The point of that phr

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-21 Thread Aris Merchant
On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 10:57 PM omd wrote: > On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 10:53 PM Jason Cobb > wrote: > > In my view, "inherent meaning" is a bit vague. I certainly could write > > up a document that suggests a change to the laws of my country, print a > > bunch of copies, and then start handing th

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-21 Thread Rebecca
Well, one of the many such precedents stretching back forever. On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 4:00 PM ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk < ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk> wrote: > On Fri, 2019-06-21 at 22:57 -0700, omd wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 10:53 PM Jason Cobb > wrote: > > > In my view, "inherent meaning"

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-21 Thread ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk
On Fri, 2019-06-21 at 22:57 -0700, omd wrote: > On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 10:53 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > > In my view, "inherent meaning" is a bit vague. I certainly could write > > up a document that suggests a change to the laws of my country, print a > > bunch of copies, and then start handing them

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-21 Thread omd
On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 10:53 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > In my view, "inherent meaning" is a bit vague. I certainly could write > up a document that suggests a change to the laws of my country, print a > bunch of copies, and then start handing them out to everyone I know. > That seems like it would fu

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-21 Thread Jason Cobb
In my view, "inherent meaning" is a bit vague. I certainly could write up a document that suggests a change to the laws of my country, print a bunch of copies, and then start handing them out to everyone I know. That seems like it would fulfill a natural language meaning of "distributing a prop

DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-21 Thread omd
Proto: Deregulation, but less so Amend Rule 2125 ("Regulated Actions") to read: An action is regulated if it: (a) consists of altering Rules-defined state (e.g. the act of flipping a Citizenship switch), or (b) is a Rules-defined term of art with no inherent meaning