oh, crud. I copy and pasted and forgot to change "grok" to "ATMunn".
There's actually a couple precedents that the assignment in the message worked, not the subject line. So I guess these are "linked" with grok as judge (unless e recuses emself from one). Sorry about that! On 6/25/2020 3:24 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > The below is CFJ 3858. I assign it to grok. > > CFJ Statement: > An action to be performed with 7 days notice depends on objections. > > > Called by: > Jason on 23 Jun 2020 21:58:23 -0400 > (Barred: nch) > > > Caller's Evidence: > > Rule 2124/26 [Excerpt]: > >> The above notwithstanding, if an action depends on objections, and >> an objection to an intent to perform it has been withdrawn within >> the past 24 hours, then Agora is not Satisfied with that intent. >> >> The above notwithstanding, Agora is not satisfied with an intent >> if the Speaker has objected to it in the last 48 hours. > > > Dictionary definition of "define": > > [0]: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/depend > > > Caller's Arguments: > > What it means for an action to "depend on objections" is not defined in > the rules. This means that it has its common language meaning. The word > at issue is "depend". Merriam-Webster [0] defines "depend" as an > intransitive verb meaning: > > 1. to be determined, based, or contingent > > 2. to be pending or undecided > > 3. a. to place reliance or trust > > b. to be dependent especially for financial support > > 4. to hang down > > I believe definition 1 here makes the most sense in context. I see two > ways to interpret an action "depending on objections" - it either must > require objects to be performable, or it must be affected by objections. > The former makes no sense - no dependent action requires objections in > order to be actionable, which would mean the clause has no effect. This > leaves the second reading - the action "depends on objections" if > objections affect whether it can be performed. > > An action to be performed with 7 days notice is affected by the presence > or absence of objections. In particular, it is affected by the presence > of an objection from the Speaker, who can veto an action for 48 hours by > objecting. This is consistent with a common language reading - the > effectiveness of an action to be performed with 7 days action is, in > part, "determined" by, "based" on, or "contingent" upon, the presence or > absence of an objection. Because of this, I argue that an action to be > performed with 7 days notice "depends on objections" and argue for TRUE. > >
