Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-20 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I do agree with that Officers should be rewarded somehow, but my main issue here is how the democracy is run, not Officer rewards. Maybe we could keep those rewards somehow without any nerfs while limiting or nerfing other things? I've attempted a "Officer salary" proto, anyways. I'm also sorry

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 11:47 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > So, only someone who already is in power and a beneficiary of the system > should be entitled to propose change things? Er, I never said you couldn't propose. I was giving you feedback on how I felt about voting for

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
You could say that to anyone disadvantaged who wants to change how things are, it's not particularly insightful (or accurate, in this case). So, only someone who already is in power and a beneficiary of the system should be entitled to propose change things? I don't think my situation is as bad,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 09:59 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:50 AM ais523 via agora-discussion > wrote: > > I sometimes feel like half my arguing at Agora is dedicated to trying > > to persuade people not to repeal the economy. > > > > It rarely works,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:50 AM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 09:37 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:26 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora- > > discussion wrote: > > > With radiance and Stamps seemingly on their way out, I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:50 AM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 09:37 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:26 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora- > > discussion wrote: > > > With radiance and Stamps seemingly on their way out, I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 09:37 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:26 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora- > discussion  wrote: > > With radiance and Stamps seemingly on their way out, I believe that your > > Officer salary problem is part of a larger problem of Agora

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:43 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > I don't intend to design an economy, because I don't think I'm competent > enough to do so. I'll try to contribute where I can, though. > Ah, the typical take-away power with a promise, but an unfulfilled one. No

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I don't intend to design an economy, because I don't think I'm competent enough to do so. I'll try to contribute where I can, though. On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 6:40 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:26 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Most newer players aren't going to know how to navigate the game and competently use mechanics like Stones or Dreams (I still don't know how Stones are meant to work). And even then, there's an opportunity cost in it all. A player that already is well-off can afford to use their Dream for things

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 9:26 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > With radiance and Stamps seemingly on their way out, I believe that your > Officer salary problem is part of a larger problem of Agora overall needing > a proper economy again, not a voting strength problem. So offer

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/19/23 11:26, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: But, no. I don't think that any player deserves ~4 times the voting strength of a newbie, regardless of the reason. I want other players to be able to play nomic, especially newbies, and they need a relevant amount of voting strength

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 5:28 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 5:51 AM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > > Let's give everyone a more equal chance to be relevant. > > > > > So right now, Officers' only

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 5:51 AM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > > > Let's give everyone a more equal chance to be relevant. > > So right now, Officers' only reward is increased voting strength (I believe), and the game is growing with lots of new players so officers' work is getting

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) Proposal Submission - Democratization

2023-05-19 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 2:08 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I submit the following two Proposals: > > Title: Democratization (low AI version) > AI: 1 > Author: Yachay > Co-Authors: None > /*Comment: I'm fine with rewarding officers and such with