Yes... although now it occurs to me that *possibly* I could engineer a paradox by self filing for reconsideration and judging FALSE! I *think* that would work assuming I could prevent it from going to moot, perhaps by objecting every 48 hours until it requires too much support to go into moot.
But I think I’ll probably just leave things the way they are, because that would at best just trade my RR wins for a Paradox win. On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 9:56 PM Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > > So the result of this is: > > - Several Champion awards are owed (500 for D. Margaux). > > - As the last winner, D. Margaux is Laureled (as per after-action > report). > > - D. Margaux successfully deputized for the PM to become Speaker > (and also PM via deputization. So e is both Speaker and PM, and > Overpowered. > > - The only remaining question is whether D. Margaux successfully > assigned CFJ 3672 to emself (questionable as it already had a > judge). E judged CFJ 3672 TRUE while deferring to Trigon's logic. > Trigon judged TRUE using Trigon's logic. No matter what, the > judgement in CFJ 3672 will be TRUE with Trigon's arguments. > > - I now have a CFJ to figure out whether D. Margaux or Trigon > actually delivered the judgement. > > I think that, along with closing the Hidden Intents rule, brings > this little spate of wins to a close. > > > On Mon, 29 Oct 2018, Reuben Staley wrote: > > ==================================== > > CFJ 3671-3 JUDGEMENTS > > > > CALLER'S MESSAGE > > -------------------- > > > > October 15, 2018; twg: > > > > > I CFJ the following three statements, and suggest to the Arbitor that > they > > should probably be assigned to the same judge: > > > > > > > 1. “All pure active players could have won by announcement on the > > Effective > > > > Date under rule 2580” > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > 2. “Trigon, twg, D. Margaux, G., and L could win the game by > announcement > > > > under rule 2580 on the Effective Date after the expungement of > Trigon’s > > > > blot” > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > 3. “Trigon, twg, and L won the game on the Effective Date under rule > 2580” > > > > RELEVANT RULE > > ----------------- > > > > Rule 2580/2 (Power=1) > > Round Robin > > > > The "Effective Date" is the Agoran day that is 8 days after the > > Agoran day on which this Rule was enacted. This Rule is > > automatically repealed at 00:01 UTC on the Agoran day after the > > Effective Date. > > > > The Slate A players are VJ Rada, Cuddle Beam, D. Margaux, Aris, > > G., omd, Murphy, ATMunn, and Publius Scribonius Scholasticus. > > > > The Slate B players are VJ Rada, D. Margaux, G., L., omd, Corona, > > Trigon, twg, and Publius Scribonius Scholasticus. > > > > The Slate C players are Cuddle Beam, Aris, L., Corona, Murphy, > > Trigon, ATMunn, and twg. > > > > The Slate A players CAN win the game by announcement on the > > Effective Date, unless the Slate B players also CAN win the game > > by announcement on the Effective Date. > > > > The Slate B players CAN win the game by announcement on the > > Effective Date, unless the Slate C players also CAN win the game > > by announcement on the Effective Date. > > > > SHARED JUDGE'S ARGUMENTS > > ---------------------------- > > > > I'm going to reiterate a lot of my previous arguments about this subject > > because I think they're relevant and good. > > > > Here is a chart detailing which slate each player has: > > > > A and B B and C C and A > > --------- --------- --------- > > VJ Rada L. Cuddles > > Margaux Corona Aris > > PSS Trigon Murphy > > G. twg ATMunn > > > > Rule 2580 creates two mechanisms by which players CAN win. Upon a > > cursory glance, this seems pretty straightforward. There is a mechanism > > for anyone belonging to Slate A to be able to win by announcement that > > is quickly voided by the next paragraph, which allows Slate B players to > > be able to win by announcement. > > > > But there are a few questions that arise here. Since rules are not > > followed in spirit, Rule 2580 might be ambiguous. > > > > There are two factors that I will list here. The first in individuality. > > > > One interpretation (the "set" interpretation) of this is that the set of > > Slate A players cannot win if there is a mechanism for Slate B players > > to. In this case, all Slate A players can announce that they win, but it > > might not work if you're criminal. > > > > Another interpretation (the "individual" interpretation) of this is that > > each the set of Slate A players cannot win if and only if all the Slate > > B players can. > > > > The other is clusivity. > > > > One interpretation of this argument (the "exclusive" interpretation) is > > that if the set of Slate N players, where N is a valid slate, cannot > > win, and a person's set of slates includes N, e may not win since one > > of eir slates cannot win. > > > > The other interpretation (the "inclusive" interpretation) would be that > > as long as one of a player's slates can win, e can win. > > > > In the same message that I described these factors, I included the > > following table. The set of pairs in each square is who can win. > > > > set individual > > ------------- ------------------- > > exclusive (B,C) (A,B),(B,C),(C,A) > > inclusive (A,B),(B,C) (A,B),(B,C),(C,A) > > > > I believe that in lieu of rules describing the complexities of such a > > system, the most straightforward, and therefore the naturally assumed > > interpretation, should be the most correct. > > > > In this case, I find the set inclusive interpretation to be the most > > clear. > > > > JUDGEMENTS > > -------------- > > > > CFJ 3671: I judge FALSE. > > CFJ 3672: I judge TRUE. > > CFJ 3673: I judge FALSE. > > ==================================== > > > > Not part of the judgement, but these are the wins. > > The list was taken from the Herald's after-action report. > > > > > twg (B, C): I win the game. > > Valid. > > > CuddleBeam (A, C): I win the game too. > > Valid. > > > D. Margaux (A, B): I win the game too. > > Valid. > > > Trigon (B, C): I win the game. > > Invalid. > > > Trigon (B, C): I expunge one blot from myself and win the game. > > Valid. > > > G. (A, B) : I win the game. > > Valid. > > > ATMunn (A, C): I win the game. > > Invalid. > > > D. Margaux (A,B): 498 iterations of "I win the game by Round Robin." / > > > "I win per Round Robin." except 1 in the middle was > > > a Different Thing. > > Valid, but very sketchy regardless. > > > D. Margaux (A,B): I win by Round Robin. > > Valid. > > > > Please notify me of errors. I'm still new at CFJs. > > > > -- > > Trigon > > >
