Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

2017-09-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
Typical G. "well, in my day" incoming: Conditionals in general crept in through the back door. Before conditional voting, they were mostly very simple, e.g. "If I haven't already payed by AP, I pay by Shiny." Usually this was in the context of quoting a past questionable action and attempting

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

2017-09-06 Thread Aris Merchant
Apology accepted. To be fair, it was reasonably clear for both of you, it's just that ais523 was replying to my message, which made me wonder. -Aris On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 5:31 PM, grok (caleb vines) wrote: > Oops. I didn't read the quote text and thought you were asking me. Sorry for > the snar

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

2017-09-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2017-09-06 at 17:26 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: > Mine, or nichdel's? Mine was sent to a-d, and is extremely vague > (what > exactly is a 'provocation' anyway)? And no, there isn't a time limit, > although there is one potential way out of any SHALL at the moment. Was primarily thinking of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

2017-09-06 Thread grok (caleb vines)
Oops. I didn't read the quote text and thought you were asking me. Sorry for the snark, Aris -grok On Sep 6, 2017 7:28 PM, "grok (caleb vines)" wrote: I think the answer to that is pretty obvious. -grok On Sep 6, 2017 7:27 PM, "Aris Merchant" wrote: Mine, or nichdel's? Mine was sent to a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

2017-09-06 Thread grok (caleb vines)
I think the answer to that is pretty obvious. -grok On Sep 6, 2017 7:27 PM, "Aris Merchant" wrote: Mine, or nichdel's? Mine was sent to a-d, and is extremely vague (what exactly is a 'provocation' anyway)? And no, there isn't a time limit, although there is one potential way out of any SHALL a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

2017-09-06 Thread Aris Merchant
Mine, or nichdel's? Mine was sent to a-d, and is extremely vague (what exactly is a 'provocation' anyway)? And no, there isn't a time limit, although there is one potential way out of any SHALL at the moment. -Aris On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > Is there a time limit or othe

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

2017-09-06 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Sep 6, 2017 7:23 PM, "Alex Smith" wrote: On Wed, 2017-09-06 at 17:17 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > > Since you lack either empathy or theory of mind and only react to > > personal > > damages: > > > > I pledge to vote AGAINST on all proposals

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

2017-09-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2017-09-06 at 17:17 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > > Since you lack either empathy or theory of mind and only react to > > personal > > damages: > > > > I pledge to vote AGAINST on all proposals created or pended by > > Cuddle Beam. > > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

2017-09-06 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
I concur with Aris, this was a bit harsh, but I do concur with the sentiment. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 6, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > > > > On 09/06/17 19:05, Cuddle Beam wrote: >> >From a speech act theory standpoint, any spe

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

2017-09-06 Thread Aris Merchant
On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > > > On 09/06/17 19:05, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > >From a speech act theory standpoint, any speech act already encodes > conditionals (that the preconditions match, that the way I invoke it > performs it, that others recognizes the previous two points

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

2017-09-06 Thread Cuddle Beam
>From a speech act theory standpoint, any speech act already encodes conditionals (that the preconditions match, that the way I invoke it performs it, that others recognizes the previous two points, that everyone assumes genuine intent). Allowing more conditionals to be included is a natural extens

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

2017-09-06 Thread Aris Merchant
Your conditional doesn't meet it's own requirements. This arguably requires me to look through all CFJs, to make sure the doctrine hasn't been overturned. I therefore determine that you haven't submitted a proposal. I'd also just add it to the last paragraph, rather than making a new one. -Aris O

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

2017-09-06 Thread Nic Evans
On 09/06/17 18:47, Cuddle Beam wrote: > I think that's great for Agora but if its based on a CFJ or tradition, > that's more of the "implicit rules" (or "obscure rules") phenomenon > which I dislike. Conditional-ing stuff is as powerful as a real > mechanic imo, and one of the most powerful ones. L

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

2017-09-06 Thread Nic Evans
On 09/06/17 18:16, Cuddle Beam wrote: > Note: we have explicit conditional voting, but not conditional > explicit action-doing in general. > > I'm in favor of conditional action-doing in general because it's > another useful tool for doing stuff (...and the rules are silent on > the issue). Voting

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

2017-09-06 Thread Aris Merchant
Oh, no, we definitely have conditional actioning (consider that a nonce). The condition just has to be evaluable at the time it is said, so no future conditionals. At least, that's my understanding. -Aris On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > Note: we have explicit conditional vot

DIS: Re: BUS: Let's clear things up a bit

2017-09-06 Thread Cuddle Beam
Note: we have explicit conditional voting, but not conditional explicit action-doing in general. I'm in favor of conditional action-doing in general because it's another useful tool for doing stuff (...and the rules are silent on the issue). On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 12:58 AM, Aris Merchant < though