Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Objecting and supporting

2008-07-23 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:28 AM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but where does it say that attempts to support such an action must be unambiguously specified? I CFJ on the statement: Publishing the message I object,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Objecting and supporting

2008-07-23 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:28 AM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but where does it say that attempts to support such an action must be unambiguously

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Objecting and supporting

2008-07-23 Thread comex
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, the by announcement criterion of R478 is not satisfied, because it specifically only applies to rule-defined actions. Nowhere do the rules define objecting to a dependent action as an action. Although Rule 2124 defines

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Objecting and supporting

2008-07-23 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:56 AM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although Rule 2124 defines it as a message that must be sent, we treat objecting very, very much like an action, which we send pseudo-announcements in order to perform. Or is it a real announcement? Although Rule 478 defines by

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Objecting and supporting

2008-07-23 Thread comex
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why? If somebody attempts to perform an action by announcement, and the action can't be performed by announcement, then obviously the attempt fails regardless of whether R2208 can be applied to it. It doesn't matter whether

DIS: Re: BUS: Objecting and supporting

2008-07-22 Thread Charles Reiss
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:15, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I object to every dependent action I can object to. I support every dependent action I can support. So you don't want to leave the Protection Racket? -woggle

DIS: Re: BUS: Objecting and supporting

2008-07-22 Thread comex
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 12:15 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I object to every dependent action I can object to. I support every dependent action I can support. I'm treating this as ineffective by the precedent of CFJ 1307.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Objecting and supporting

2008-07-22 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 12:15 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I object to every dependent action I can object to. I support every dependent action I can support. I'm treating this as ineffective by the precedent of CFJ 1307. Rule 2124 (Agoran Satisfaction) does not include

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Objecting and supporting

2008-07-22 Thread comex
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rule 2124 (Agoran Satisfaction) does not include specify like the rule relevant to CFJ 1307 did. Rule 2208/0 (Power=3) Clarity of Announcements All attempts to perform an action by announcement fail if the action