Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-23 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 23 Oct 2014, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 23 Oct 2014, Eritivus wrote: I guess the power of rules enacted by illicit fast track ratification actually can't be more than 3, since the fast track rule has power 3? So not as worrisome as I thought. If you want to make higher-powered rules

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 23 Oct 2014, Eritivus wrote: > I guess the power of rules enacted by illicit fast track ratification > actually can't be more than 3, since the fast track rule has power 3? > > So not as worrisome as I thought. If you want to make higher-powered rules but can get a power-3 proposal thro

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-23 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2014-10-23 at 19:51 +, Eritivus wrote: > I guess the power of rules enacted by illicit fast track ratification > actually can't be more than 3, since the fast track rule has power 3? > > So not as worrisome as I thought. A Power-3 rule can do anything, though, because the Power restri

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-23 Thread Eritivus
I guess the power of rules enacted by illicit fast track ratification actually can't be more than 3, since the fast track rule has power 3? So not as worrisome as I thought.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-23 Thread Eritivus
On Thu, 2014-10-23 at 18:33 +, omd wrote: > That it ignores the AI=1 requirement is accidental, but probably not > important. If someone makes an obviously deficient fast track > attempt, that's what a Claim of Error is for. Sure, I just don't have a feel for how likely it is that skilled Rid

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-23 Thread omd
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Eritivus wrote: > The "self-ratifying" clause seems worrisome, because it is not obvious > to me that it requires the conditions in the first paragraph (AI=1, 7 > days notice, etc) to be satisfied. That ratification can occur regardless of any failures in the actu

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-23 Thread Eritivus
Suppose I send the following message, having sent no previous relevant messages (i.e. no previously published intent). I hereby fast track the following proposal: Proposal: Eritivus Regnat AI: 4 Create a new Power-4 Rule titled "Eritivus Regnat": Eritivus CAN cause this

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > On 21 October 2014 18:42, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > >> On 21 October 2014 18:28, Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> > > >> > Am I reading this wrong or does this allow any proposal to be adopted > >> > with 2 support?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-21 Thread khoyobegenn
y ongoing decision on whether to >adopt it is immediately cancelled (without being resolved). --Message d'origine-- De: Kerim Aydin À: Me À: Agora Nomic discussions (DF) Objet: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track Envoyé: 21 oct. 2014 18:47 On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, khoyobeg...@gmai

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, khoyobeg...@gmail.com wrote: > > Is there a need for a vote count if there are no objections (AGAINST votes) > > to a proposal ? > > SCAM: > If there's a proposal you and 2 others don't like, fast-track it, > then kill it with an ob

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-21 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
On 21 October 2014 18:42, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: >> On 21 October 2014 18:28, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> > >> > >> > Am I reading this wrong or does this allow any proposal to be adopted >> > with 2 support? Where's the actual vote count? >> > >> >> With

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, khoyobeg...@gmail.com wrote: > Is there a need for a vote count if there are no objections (AGAINST votes) > to a proposal ? SCAM: If there's a proposal you and 2 others don't like, fast-track it, then kill it with an objection. Repeat indefinitely.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-21 Thread khoyobegenn
Is there a need for a vote count if there are no objections (AGAINST votes) to a proposal ? --Khoyo -Original Message- From: Kerim Aydin Sender: "agora-discussion" Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 09:28:28 To: Agora Discussion Reply-To: "Agora Nomic discussions \(DF\)" S

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: > On 21 October 2014 18:28, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > Am I reading this wrong or does this allow any proposal to be adopted > > with 2 support? Where's the actual vote count? > > > > With 2 support and 0 objections, yes; that's how I read it too

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-21 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
On 21 October 2014 18:28, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Am I reading this wrong or does this allow any proposal to be adopted > with 2 support? Where's the actual vote count? > With 2 support and 0 objections, yes; that's how I read it too. -- Tiger

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
Am I reading this wrong or does this allow any proposal to be adopted with 2 support? Where's the actual vote count? On Tue, 21 Oct 2014, omd wrote: > Proposal: Fast Track (AI=3) > > Create a new Power-3 Rule titled "Fast Tracking": > > A player CAN, without objection and with 2 suppor