Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: rulekeepor's notes on proposals 6403-6413

2009-08-05 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Roger Hicks wrote: >> I support this. I think agora-actions would be an appropriate name for >> this forum? >> > While it sounds like a good idea in theory I think in practice this > would lead to a lot of NttAF messages (well, I guess actions sent to > a-b would still be legal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: rulekeepor's notes on proposals 6403-6413

2009-08-05 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 16:12, Sean Hunt wrote: > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 15:45, Ed Murphy wrote: >>> Even a partial diversion of traffic would help. >>> >> I guess I don't see how. Since it would have to be a PF every one >> would have to be subs

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: rulekeepor's notes on proposals 6403-6413

2009-08-05 Thread Pavitra
Sean Hunt wrote: > I will vehemently oppose any motion to make web interfaces > official in any capacity, unless someone proposes a web interface that > is neutral to all Agorans and retains the nomicness. We can of course have _supplemental_ web interfaces to the mailing lists, like BobTHJ's card

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: rulekeepor's notes on proposals 6403-6413

2009-08-05 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 15:45, Ed Murphy wrote: > Even a partial diversion of traffic would help. > I guess I don't see how. Since it would have to be a PF every one would have to be subscribed to it anyway, so no real reduction in message traffic. Just more work for new players (one more list to su

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: rulekeepor's notes on proposals 6403-6413

2009-08-05 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 15:38, Sean Hunt wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Pavitra wrote: >>> I'd like to reopen my not-really-a-proposal to split a-b into two >>> mailing lists. >>> >>> One would be a high-signal list where "contentful" actions like >>> submitting proposals

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: rulekeepor's notes on proposals 6403-6413

2009-08-05 Thread Roger Hicks
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 15:38, Sean Hunt wrote: > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Pavitra wrote: >> I'd like to reopen my not-really-a-proposal to split a-b into two >> mailing lists. >> >> One would be a high-signal list where "contentful" actions like >> submitting proposals, delivering judgements

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: rulekeepor's notes on proposals 6403-6413

2009-08-05 Thread Pavitra
Roger Hicks wrote: > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 17:53, Sean Hunt wrote: >> Actions take place on the lists for a reason. �If actions take place >> off-list, others have no way of verifying them. >> > I agree that actions take place on the lists for a reason, but I think > those reasons can be mitigated

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: rulekeepor's notes on proposals 6403-6413

2009-08-04 Thread Elliott Hird
Much better. But Taral was refering to the gameplay. On Wednesday, August 5, 2009, Roger Hicks wrote: > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 21:44, Elliott > Hird wrote: >> I am strongly opposed to relying on one person for historical records. >> > Well, as I mentioned that wouldn't be the case since all thos

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: rulekeepor's notes on proposals 6403-6413

2009-08-04 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 21:44, Elliott Hird wrote: > I am strongly opposed to relying on one person for historical records. > Well, as I mentioned that wouldn't be the case since all those records would be posted to the list on a weekly basis. BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: rulekeepor's notes on proposals 6403-6413

2009-08-04 Thread Elliott Hird
I am strongly opposed to relying on one person for historical records. On Wednesday, August 5, 2009, Roger Hicks wrote: > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 19:00, Sean Hunt wrote: >> Roger Hicks wrote: >>> Again, my web-interface is already set up to record all actions and >>> their effects, even those whi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: rulekeepor's notes on proposals 6403-6413

2009-08-04 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 19:00, Sean Hunt wrote: > Roger Hicks wrote: >> Again, my web-interface is already set up to record all actions and >> their effects, even those which fail - and can even track the state of >> actions which are under dispute. If you couple this with regular >> reporting of al

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: rulekeepor's notes on proposals 6403-6413

2009-08-04 Thread Sean Hunt
Roger Hicks wrote: > Again, my web-interface is already set up to record all actions and > their effects, even those which fail - and can even track the state of > actions which are under dispute. If you couple this with regular > reporting of all those actions to the list I think this safely avoid

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: rulekeepor's notes on proposals 6403-6413

2009-08-04 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 17:53, Sean Hunt wrote: > Roger Hicks wrote: >> Which is the reaction I expected and part of the reason I've held off >> suggesting it. Though I would like to hear your reasons why you think >> it is a bad idea. >> >> BobTHJ > > Actions take place on the lists for a reason.  

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: rulekeepor's notes on proposals 6403-6413

2009-08-04 Thread comex
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: > Roger Hicks wrote: >> Which is the reaction I expected and part of the reason I've held off >> suggesting it. Though I would like to hear your reasons why you think >> it is a bad idea. >> >> BobTHJ > > Actions take place on the lists for a reason.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: rulekeepor's notes on proposals 6403-6413

2009-08-04 Thread Sean Hunt
Roger Hicks wrote: > Which is the reaction I expected and part of the reason I've held off > suggesting it. Though I would like to hear your reasons why you think > it is a bad idea. > > BobTHJ Actions take place on the lists for a reason. If actions take place off-list, others have no way of ve

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: rulekeepor's notes on proposals 6403-6413

2009-08-04 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 17:17, comex wrote: > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 16:29, Taral wrote: >>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: I harvest 2265 for a random land. >>> >>> Me too. Anyone else think the "me-too"-ness of AAA is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: rulekeepor's notes on proposals 6403-6413

2009-08-04 Thread comex
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 16:29, Taral wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: >>> I harvest 2265 for a random land. >> >> Me too. Anyone else think the "me-too"-ness of AAA is something that >> might be improved? >> > I've giv

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: rulekeepor's notes on proposals 6403-6413

2009-08-04 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 16:29, Taral wrote: > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Roger Hicks wrote: >> I harvest 2265 for a random land. > > Me too. Anyone else think the "me-too"-ness of AAA is something that > might be improved? > I've given some thought to "webifying" the AAA, so that contract-defi