DIS: Re: BUS: The ruleset is too long so

2019-06-19 Thread ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk
On Wed, 2019-06-19 at 20:22 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: > I intend with Agoran Consent to trigger Rule 2598, "Side-Game > Suspension". I was suspecting a possible scam here, but the listed rule numbers within rule 2598 do appear to be correct. (It would have been easy to get one of them slightly w

DIS: Re: BUS: The ruleset is too long so

2019-06-19 Thread Aris Merchant
I see your point, but I think the phrasing accomplishes the same thing. It says "When this Rule is triggered, the following events happen in order". That makes it pretty clear that the rule is the agent, doesn't it? -Aris On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 9:00 PM omd wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 8:2

DIS: Re: BUS: The ruleset is too long so

2019-06-21 Thread Jason Cobb
You can do so due to this clause from Rule 2595: 4. At least one of the following is true: * the performer is the initiator; * the initiator was authorized to perform the action due to holding a rule-defined position now held by the p

DIS: Re: BUS: The ruleset is too long so

2019-06-22 Thread James Cook
On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 at 02:52, Rebecca wrote: > Title: Spaceships > AI: 1.1 Why 1.1?

DIS: Re: BUS: The ruleset is too long so

2019-07-05 Thread Kerim Aydin
Gratuitous: Let's say it's Day 31 and R. Lee has kept eir pledge so far. The answer to the question "did R. Lee [perform the correct behavior] for least 30 days [from the time of the pledge]?" would be TRUE regardless of what happens after that. Whether (after the 30 days) the pledge is techn

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The ruleset is too long so

2019-06-19 Thread Aris Merchant
On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 8:32 PM ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk wrote: > > On Wed, 2019-06-19 at 20:22 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: > > I intend with Agoran Consent to trigger Rule 2598, "Side-Game > > Suspension". > > I was suspecting a possible scam here, but the listed rule numbers > within rule 2598 d

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The ruleset is too long so

2019-06-21 Thread Aris Merchant
Yes, but then I’d be installed into the relevant office. I don’t want another office at the moment, and anyway, it would be rude to take it from R. Lee. -Aris On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 7:36 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > You can do so due to this clause from Rule 2595: > > >4. At least one of the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The ruleset is too long so

2019-06-21 Thread Jason Cobb
Would you actually be installed into the office? Rule 2598 says 5. A player CAN with 2 support Revive Spaaace (unless Spaaace has already been Revived); that player is thereby installed into the office of Astronomor. I think the most obvious reading is that "that pla

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The ruleset is too long so

2019-06-21 Thread Rebecca
We've always taken it to mean the player who actually takes the action that requires support. For example, I have intended to initiate elections but I also don't want three of those positions, so I will leave anyone who does to actually resolve the intent. On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 12:46 PM Jason Co

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The ruleset is too long so

2019-06-21 Thread Jason Cobb
Ah sorry about that then. Jason Cobb On 6/21/19 10:53 PM, Rebecca wrote: We've always taken it to mean the player who actually takes the action that requires support. For example, I have intended to initiate elections but I also don't want three of those positions, so I will leave anyone who do

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The ruleset is too long so

2019-06-21 Thread Rebecca
Don't be sorry for interpreting the rules! I say this only because it's just what I've always remembered. Also I've taken the office so it doesn't matter now! On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 12:55 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > Ah sorry about that then. > > Jason Cobb > > On 6/21/19 10:53 PM, Rebecca wrote: > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The ruleset is too long so

2019-06-21 Thread Aris Merchant
Just to add, the reason we read it that way is because that's how the dependent action rules are written. They're retrospective; if X and Y has happened, a player can do Z by announcement. The doing Z is actually taking the action - the business about announcing intent is just a precondition. This

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The ruleset is too long so

2019-06-23 Thread Rebecca
Yeah, it should have been 1 because that's the power these switches are secured at, my official answer is dont worry about it dawg On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 3:09 PM James Cook wrote: > On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 at 02:52, Rebecca wrote: > > Title: Spaceships > > AI: 1.1 > > Why 1.1? > -- >From R. Lee

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The ruleset is too long so

2019-07-05 Thread Jason Cobb
Hmm... maybe the statement should have been "The time window of [the pledge] is 60 days." On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 5:16 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Gratuitous: > > Let's say it's Day 31 and R. Lee has kept eir pledge so far. The answer > to the question "did R. Lee [perform the correct behavior] for

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The ruleset is too long so

2019-07-05 Thread Kerim Aydin
On 7/5/2019 3:14 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: > Hmm... maybe the statement should have been "The time window of [the > pledge] is 60 days." Remember that before it's been assigned, you can retract the CFJ and call a different one - adds no work on my end, and I don't think you've *quite* hit your 5-CF

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The ruleset is too long so

2019-07-05 Thread Jason Cobb
I'll do that, but I'm not at a laptop right now, so it'll be a few hours. On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 7:04 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On 7/5/2019 3:14 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: > > Hmm... maybe the statement should have been "The time window of [the > > pledge] is 60 days." > > Remember that before it's b

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The ruleset is too long so

2019-07-05 Thread Jason Cobb
Heh. Yeah, I've been keeping track of this. I've come close a few times now. It's of course not my goal to stress this system (though I'm not sure how much one person actually could with the excess case rule). Jason Cobb On 7/5/19 7:03 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: I don't think you've *quite* hit yo

DIS: Re: BUS: The ruleset is too long so (attn. Rulekeepor)

2019-07-05 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
I didn't see that, but in any case I'm not 100% convinced by Aris' logic. Letting rule changes take effect without clearly specifying the instrument causing them just feels like the sort of thing which, if it worked, would have been used by ais523 for a scam at some point. -twg ‐‐‐ Origin

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The ruleset is too long so (attn. Rulekeepor)

2019-07-05 Thread Aris Merchant
I don't really see how that could be exploitable. Anyway, whenever a rule says "If X occurs, Y occurs", that rule is pretty clearly the agent for Y. -Aris On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 8:22 AM Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > I didn't see that, but in any case I'm not 100% convinced by Aris' logic. > Lett

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The ruleset is too long so (attn. Rulekeepor)

2019-07-06 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
No, but I've never spotted any exploit before it actually happens and yet people still pull things off every so often. At the very least I would like some official confirmation that I'm just worrying about nothing. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, July 5, 2019 6:31 PM, Aris Mer